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history

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welcome back my friends back to the

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midnight hour you have reached us here

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at the hour of midnight

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for the midnight hour show

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only on the fringe fn

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i'm so happy to be here to share this

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time with you tonight

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tonight we will be discussing something

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i have not truly thought about for some

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time

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and that is

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magic

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now many of you know

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that i

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spent a great deal of time

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performing magic shows

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as a magician a stage magician an

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illusionist

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but it would be wrong for me not

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to mention

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that my interest in that art form truly

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began with my study

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of what people call real magic

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ceremonial magic

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and things like witchcraft

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i thought that it would be good for me

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to reconnect with some of those roots

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that caused me to become so interested

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in the art of illusion

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so tonight

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tonight we're gonna do just that

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tonight my friends is

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all about magic

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tonight i thought we would explore

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some very important questions

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like is magic real can you really use

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spells and incantations

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what is the difference between black

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magic and weight magic

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don't you want to know

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i want to know

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i want to be reminded of that interest

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that i once had in this incredible

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i learned

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something very incredible and powerful

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from this thing called magic when i was

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growing up

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and that is

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this simple phrase

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as my will so mote it be

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is the working of this thing called

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magic that simple is it simply a way to

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focus your will towards your desired

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goals

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well folks i gotta tell you

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i believe it is and i have come back to

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that simple phrase throughout my

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lifetime

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time and time again

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i have thought about that and learned to

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focus my energy and my will

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toward a desired outcome

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and i've got to tell you that every time

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i have truly truly concentrated on that

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as my will so mote it be i have been

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able to change things in my life

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i gotta tell you folks

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sometimes

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i believe in magic

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but what i believe magic truly is is

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simply a way to focus your will on a

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given outcome

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to get that which you want to happen to

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through sheer force of will

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determination

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and a focus

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that perhaps this thing called magic can

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help you achieve

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well my friends

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i wanted to talk to an expert on this

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to get reacquainted with this thing

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called magic

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so tonight we're gonna talk to

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marilee neodym who has been studying

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magic her entire life

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and tonight we're going to peel back a

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few of the layers of

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mystery surrounding this thing called

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and ask her about her insights into this

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incredible thing

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without further ado my friends

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i've been looking at your website and i

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thought we would begin

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by i'd like to ask you about you seem to

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be a lot like me in a certain sense and

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that you are into many different things

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and uh

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can you tell us about how you got

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started with this project and what do

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uh yeah that's the latest

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what we're about here is the mystic

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mountain i am just

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transferring information and all of the

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all articles and materials that were on

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the previous website which was soul

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um it's been kind of a

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evolution developmental kind of thing

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from decades ago i've just i've had

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on varying levels that have

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lot of things so it goes way way deep

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i'll let you go ahead and just

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well i i heard some of the uh this uh

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or prairie fire is that what it's called

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yeah yeah and we spell it with a y

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um some of those materials that came

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through the development of all of that

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are just starting to get loaded under

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the website um that goes in at the

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spiritual side yeah yeah and i i heard

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the one that i was listening to i'm not

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sure if it was you or a guest i think it

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was you and you know i don't know if you

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know but i was a stage magician or emma

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stage magician

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and i heard somebody talking about the

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difference between magic with a c magic

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uh-huh that's that's something that i've

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written about for

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some probably about 20 years now yeah i

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love the philosophy of this stuff uh can

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you tell us yeah what

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because i've never heard someone discuss

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this before and this is something that i

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have discussed

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when speaking to audiences or other

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magicians about the differences between

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what is magic with the k magic with ck

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or magic with the c

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can you talk about that

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basic premise behind that and what i'm

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going to talk about here is very basic

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of course you know we can go deeper if

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you'd like with that but that gets into

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a lot of historical stuff but

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the elemental magic the

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primordial

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the beginnings of magic and later on we

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which is more illusionary

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material realm based

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illusion okay and magic with the k is

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more of the realms of non-form

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so it's kind of a blending um well a

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transition between realms of form

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non-form into realms of form

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and then the humans have this ability

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with their creative

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create illusion

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okay and i'm not trying to say one's any

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better than the other they all have

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their purpose right

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and they're amazing reasoning

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and now the ck

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he was really into trying to reconcile

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the paradox between the two and create

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the ck magic

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it became popular in some of the more

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druidic neo pagan

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kind of areas and even through the the

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what is more popular now is the wiccan

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so you hear a lot of people talking

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about that type of magic which

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incorporates both but many people have

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lost the flavor for the nuances between

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the two you know

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i i've known the difference and i pull

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from history and things of the other

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what i do is completely and totally

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illusionary based but i like to pull

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some history and some storytelling and

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some of those things from the others and

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i remember being a young teenager was

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the first time i saw the ck and it was a

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book i think called ceremonial magic

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and uh i remember that book and i

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remember going why do they spell it this

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way and they never explained that in the

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book do you know what i mean

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and so when i heard you explaining it i

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said exactly that's exactly it there's a

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differentiation between these these

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three forms and and in some senses they

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only a categorization so that we can

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speak about it easier you know and

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that's where a lot of people get messed

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up with the word magic stuff

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um you know is because of definition and

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concepts and

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not really fine-tuning what the person

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it's that kind of thing and going back

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to the the k part i wanted to kind of

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just clarify a little bit with it

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speak of a lot is um

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i'm focusing more on the practical

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application type

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of this but we get way into the

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realms of non-form into form and then

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back from form and back you know back

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into non-form

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okay with our creative endeavors

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bringing bringing thought into manifest

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form

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when i was when i was young growing up i

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grew up catholic so maybe it was a

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little bit of rebellious thing for me

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a young teenager really young teenager i

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got into all the

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wicked stuff i remember a book called

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mastering witchcraft by paul hewson that

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really got me started

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but you know like i said i think it was

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a little bit of a form of rebellion

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because it seemed like a lot of the

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catholic kids that i grew up with were

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getting into this stuff

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maybe as a form of rebellion but the one

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thing throughout my entire life that i

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learned from this wicked book mastering

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witchcraft

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was the simple phrase as my will so mode

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and something that i took from that that

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i use to this day i don't know if it's

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magic that i do

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but i apply my will to a problem to

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something i'm building to something i'm

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trying to accomplish

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bring it into reality from imagination

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don't you think that's part of what what

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we call magic really is about

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that's precisely what it is and that is

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why i i really try to work with

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people that come here to you know to the

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website i no longer

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keep very many um one-on-one ties i used

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to i started out with this with

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like 30 students

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back in the kindred spirit days you know

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and that was face to face and at the

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tables of the theosophical society where

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i was bad and stuff but

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um you know the the whole thing with um

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with that is i try to

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destigmatize and demystify

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not taken away from the beauty of

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ceremonial magic or

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um any of that it has its purpose as

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well

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but i i kind of jokingly call myself a

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hedge witch and i spell witch with a y

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you know

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that comes from the old weirding way

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which

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that is a system that was

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protected and saved through the norse

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so a lot of this comes from i kind of

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draw a little bit from like old english

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and gaelic

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kind of because i'm also way into

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linguistics and how language has evolved

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because i think there's a lot of hidden

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seeds in there that um answer a lot of

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our questions that we are seeking here

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even today so

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i think i got a little out of tangent

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there i'm sorry that's fine but you know

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i guess

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what i took from it and still use to

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this day is simply

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or

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my understanding of a lot of what i read

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and i read every book that i could find

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when i was that young and uh for quite

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some time

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uh

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was just that these

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ceremonies

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or spells if if you want to call them

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that in some cases we're simply a tool

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to focus your will on a given task that

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you're trying to achieve whether it's to

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gain a loved one or you know to

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to gain a lover to

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have financial success

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you know or uh i guess if you want to

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get to the darker side of things and i

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did want to ask you about some of the

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darker sides of magic

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to

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take some sort of revenge on an enemy

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[Music]

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uh yeah that kind of goes back i i like

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to interject

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some of the more hermetic

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uh ideas about light and dark and i've

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done a lot of re writing on

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that

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is we started equating and becoming very

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dualistic

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in our words about light and dark pretty

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soon it became equal to good and bad

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good and evil

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which

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in

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load our subconscious with

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the programming

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that dark is evil and light is

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good

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and there's nothing in between then we

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get caught up in the duality of that

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instead of looking at it as a continuum

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light and dark are the same thing

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just on varying

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levels of that continuum

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so you're describing the same thing that

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continuum line is the same thing it's

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just varying degrees just like with hot

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and cold

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where do you uh we as humans want to

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measure it and

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categorize it and everything but when

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you're talking about the absolute

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essence you're talking about something

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that can't be contained on that manner

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so with light and dark there's purposes

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for both

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and when it comes to magic okay

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it's the intention of the wielder that

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makes it

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destructive or constructive or

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beneficial or

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um any of those other kind of labels

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that we can put on that that's that will

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so so boat it be

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as i will promote it

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yeah so one of the things i remember

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especially too is the three-fold law and

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this is what scared me

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about using anything that at the time

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people were telling me that's dark magic

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and and that would be any magic that was

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designed to harm someone

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can you talk a little bit about this

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threefold law and do you believe that

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that is true

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and and uh and works itself out

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like karmically if you use these things

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in that in that way in other words like

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i i believe the threefold law if i

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remember correctly is you know anything

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that you put out there comes back to you

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three-fold so if you put out

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you know like a healing spell to someone

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or something beneficial then it'll come

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back to you three times and by the same

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token if you put out

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you know some kind of destructive spell

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to hurt someone it's going to come back

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to you three times

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and then the gray area that i always

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thought was these love spells because if

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you kind of use some kind of magic to

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entrance some lover to become your lover

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who wasn't meant to be

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then maybe you'll lose three lovers that

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you could have had or should have had or

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you know gets into really kind of weird

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philosophical areas right

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yeah and and that i'm glad you

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interjected that as the

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philosophy of it because what we're

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talking more than just literal sense and

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that's what happens when we start

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categorizing and measuring things is we

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tend to get too literal and it gets

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locked in there we need that to

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communicate we need that to understand

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through our brain

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but in practice and application that's

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where it gets and then it can get

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dangerous it could become weaponized as

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we've seen all over the place um

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but

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uh the the thing i kind of want to

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address there you talk about the love

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spell

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and

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just the the act of marriage is a

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binding spell when you commit yourself

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to someone and not very careful about

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the words of the vow that you're making

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a situation of binding two separate

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people together

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i used to do hand fastings and in

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marriage ceremonies uh before i left

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wyoming

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and

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i would work with the couples very

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carefully on how they worded that so

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that they wouldn't end up locking

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themselves into something that they were

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going to regret lifetimes down the road

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if that's where it went you know

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so

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with spelling

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and manipulating there's always the

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responsibility and accountability that

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has to go into this and a lot of people

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kind of

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fail to really count that up and the law

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of threefold return yes on a way on a

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metaphorical sense

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what we talk about in the bearding part

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of it is we perceive the realms of form

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here as kind of a

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multi-dimensional web

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and what a person puts on that web goes

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out and amplifies and reverberates back

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okay that makes more sense to me

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yeah um it isn't a tit-for-tat kind of

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thing you know where you do one thing

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and then you've got three to fix down

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the line it's just a concept it's a

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kind of a poetic

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way of saying that what you put out

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there is likely to intensify and then

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find its way back because in the natural

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cycles of things you've got the waxing

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and the waning

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the um

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the cycles of the waves you know you

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have your tide that goes out and the

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tide that comes in and those are the

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kind of visualizations i use in my

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guided

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imagery

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visualization exercises

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is getting in touch with the elements

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like with water being for the emotions

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so we work with you know putting the

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emotion out there letting go and letting

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it come back

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after it's gone through a process kind

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of thing so to me that's how we apply

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everyday things

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through a magical sense now we have a

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difference between

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the levels that people have categorized

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as magic you know on the end on this

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type of magic not necessarily the

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illusionary

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is high magic low magic black magic

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white magic okay

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now when we're talking high magic and

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low magic the only difference that is

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between that is high magic tends to be

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more theatrical more ceremonial

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and there we run into the um danger zone

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of it becoming dogma

520
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okay when you start locking in

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energy and using the tools that you

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wield as action you know thinking that

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they're what actually holds the power or

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the frequency

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then it really gets onto that slippery

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slope into dogma okay and and

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we we all kind of

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probably know

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the dangers that happens when it gets

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locked in that way i'm a big

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proponent of flow and energy and looking

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for blockages and that's one of the

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blockages that happens with

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practitioners of magic

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they get caught up in that and there's

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always always always always the point of

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the magician

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the sorcerer any of whatever label you

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want to put on it has they come to a

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crossroads of choosing how they're going

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skills

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or remembering that was latent in there

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anyway

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yeah i remember my early study of these

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things and honestly i mostly just read

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things because i was too afraid of uh

547
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the consequences and and and uh i guess

548
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having a catholic upbringing we had

549
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priests you know my father

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my father was a really staunch like

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just card carrying catholic and found

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some books in my room and he lost it and

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he sent me away to a priest

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with a priest you know to uh to have

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counseling and and that priest just

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filled my head with every fear

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imaginable that all these things were

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demonic

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and what can he say about that because

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that's

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still i think a prevailing belief or a

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defense against people gaining this

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knowledge that some people use to scare

564
00:24:05,590 --> 00:24:03,029
oh certainly that is part of the factor

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in there now we can also

566
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compare some of the rituals of the

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catholic church of actually being the

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ancient

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practices

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of paganism we won't go too far into the

571
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astrotheology there's a lot of theories

572
00:24:21,350 --> 00:24:19,440
running around out there and people are

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00:24:22,710 --> 00:24:21,360
really shredding that and coming up with

574
00:24:24,470 --> 00:24:22,720
some very

575
00:24:27,110 --> 00:24:24,480
grandiose

576
00:24:29,990 --> 00:24:27,120
kind of distorted ideas of what happened

577
00:24:30,830 --> 00:24:30,000
there and i'm not saying that it wasn't

578
00:24:45,750 --> 00:24:30,840
a

579
00:24:47,669 --> 00:24:45,760
the timeline of

580
00:24:51,110 --> 00:24:47,679
the the church

581
00:24:53,830 --> 00:24:51,120
and that is not necessarily the

582
00:24:57,190 --> 00:24:53,840
spiritual or the religious end of it in

583
00:25:01,750 --> 00:24:57,200
itself it's when

584
00:25:04,310 --> 00:25:01,760
the power and the politics and the those

585
00:25:06,310 --> 00:25:04,320
kind of things start getting interwoven

586
00:25:09,669 --> 00:25:06,320
and become

587
00:25:12,710 --> 00:25:09,679
part of the substrate

588
00:25:15,350 --> 00:25:12,720
and and then fear upon fear upon fear

589
00:25:16,549 --> 00:25:15,360
story upon story upon story gets laid on

590
00:25:19,909 --> 00:25:16,559
top of that

591
00:25:21,110 --> 00:25:19,919
and we lose the underlying frequency

592
00:25:22,710 --> 00:25:21,120
that's under

593
00:25:24,950 --> 00:25:22,720
underlying that

594
00:25:27,430 --> 00:25:24,960
if you take away

595
00:25:28,630 --> 00:25:27,440
the us versus them

596
00:25:31,110 --> 00:25:28,640
um

597
00:25:33,350 --> 00:25:31,120
thing out of there completely

598
00:25:37,190 --> 00:25:33,360
looking at the commonalities and the

599
00:25:38,630 --> 00:25:37,200
similarities is just it's amazing stuff

600
00:25:40,870 --> 00:25:38,640
that was one of my minors was

601
00:25:42,870 --> 00:25:40,880
comparative religion

602
00:25:43,750 --> 00:25:42,880
and

603
00:25:46,390 --> 00:25:43,760
yeah

604
00:25:49,029 --> 00:25:46,400
and just watching that and and i

605
00:25:50,710 --> 00:25:49,039
remember battling with a lot of my um

606
00:25:52,390 --> 00:25:50,720
you know defending my

607
00:25:54,470 --> 00:25:52,400
my papers and

608
00:25:56,470 --> 00:25:54,480
things with some of the professors on

609
00:26:01,269 --> 00:25:56,480
that because i always

610
00:26:03,190 --> 00:26:01,279
i i try to soften the comparative

611
00:26:05,190 --> 00:26:03,200
differences with the comparative

612
00:26:07,750 --> 00:26:05,200
similarities and

613
00:26:09,909 --> 00:26:07,760
things like that and i always

614
00:26:12,630 --> 00:26:09,919
end up falling over on the side of the

615
00:26:14,950 --> 00:26:12,640
devil's advocate i i don't even agree

616
00:26:17,269 --> 00:26:14,960
with the stuff but i will stand up and

617
00:26:18,630 --> 00:26:17,279
defend that if that makes any sense oh

618
00:26:20,710 --> 00:26:18,640
absolutely

619
00:26:22,710 --> 00:26:20,720
yeah i remember though when i was

620
00:26:26,549 --> 00:26:22,720
getting these counseling sessions that

621
00:26:28,630 --> 00:26:26,559
the the big the big fear thing that the

622
00:26:29,990 --> 00:26:28,640
that the priests and everybody was

623
00:26:32,549 --> 00:26:30,000
pushing and it wasn't just to me you

624
00:26:34,310 --> 00:26:32,559
know like i had other friends

625
00:26:36,549 --> 00:26:34,320
was that

626
00:26:38,950 --> 00:26:36,559
any use of any

627
00:26:42,310 --> 00:26:38,960
new age or spiritual thing whether it be

628
00:26:45,110 --> 00:26:42,320
uh you know a ouija board or tarot cards

629
00:26:47,350 --> 00:26:45,120
is inviting these dark forces into your

630
00:26:49,110 --> 00:26:47,360
life or opening some kind of a doorway

631
00:26:53,430 --> 00:26:49,120
do you believe that at all

632
00:26:58,310 --> 00:26:56,230
yes and no um you'll find when you talk

633
00:27:01,190 --> 00:26:58,320
with me more you'll get more of the yes

634
00:27:02,950 --> 00:27:01,200
and no instead of the either or

635
00:27:06,070 --> 00:27:02,960
that's fine we're just we're just trying

636
00:27:07,750 --> 00:27:06,080
to we're just trying to uh to gather

637
00:27:10,070 --> 00:27:07,760
your thoughts after a lifetime of

638
00:27:12,230 --> 00:27:10,080
experience because honestly

639
00:27:13,990 --> 00:27:12,240
i would trust your judgment and what

640
00:27:15,990 --> 00:27:14,000
you're saying much more than a priest

641
00:27:17,990 --> 00:27:16,000
who had four years at a seminary being

642
00:27:21,110 --> 00:27:18,000
brainwashed about these things that's

643
00:27:27,269 --> 00:27:21,120
what i truly believe a lot of that is

644
00:27:32,149 --> 00:27:28,950
i would absolutely agree with that

645
00:27:35,669 --> 00:27:32,159
stephen um that that's one example of of

646
00:27:37,029 --> 00:27:35,679
how this underlying

647
00:27:40,710 --> 00:27:37,039
momentum

648
00:27:43,590 --> 00:27:40,720
that is pushing forth this uh

649
00:27:46,230 --> 00:27:43,600
ages long warring mentality between

650
00:27:48,710 --> 00:27:46,240
light and dark you know you go back and

651
00:27:51,510 --> 00:27:48,720
you can see in the zoroastrian

652
00:27:53,990 --> 00:27:51,520
uh stuff through the church and

653
00:27:56,789 --> 00:27:54,000
everything about you know it's it's all

654
00:27:57,820 --> 00:27:56,799
a battle of the the good forces against

655
00:27:59,350 --> 00:27:57,830
the evil forces

656
00:28:01,029 --> 00:27:59,360
[Music]

657
00:28:03,350 --> 00:28:01,039
now there is a sense of that in the

658
00:28:06,549 --> 00:28:03,360
natural world

659
00:28:08,950 --> 00:28:06,559
that that is part of what holds this

660
00:28:10,310 --> 00:28:08,960
into a material realm

661
00:28:13,350 --> 00:28:10,320
is the

662
00:28:14,950 --> 00:28:13,360
opposing forces that's what makes it

663
00:28:17,029 --> 00:28:14,960
material

664
00:28:19,510 --> 00:28:17,039
realms of form

665
00:28:22,310 --> 00:28:19,520
i'm not at all

666
00:28:25,070 --> 00:28:22,320
saying that one is any better than the

667
00:28:27,750 --> 00:28:25,080
other we have to have

668
00:28:30,070 --> 00:28:27,760
decomposition to have things be able to

669
00:28:33,269 --> 00:28:30,080
build back up we have to have death to

670
00:28:36,230 --> 00:28:33,279
be have life we have you know that's the

671
00:28:39,110 --> 00:28:36,240
um as above so below as within so

672
00:28:42,710 --> 00:28:39,120
without reconciling the paradox thing

673
00:28:45,909 --> 00:28:42,720
from the hermetic viewpoint

674
00:28:48,789 --> 00:28:45,919
but what happens is out of fear which

675
00:28:52,549 --> 00:28:48,799
was bred through

676
00:29:00,389 --> 00:28:56,789
they found that it was very easy to

677
00:29:02,230 --> 00:29:00,399
keep people in line by instilling the

678
00:29:04,470 --> 00:29:02,240
fear and

679
00:29:06,789 --> 00:29:04,480
that does have a purpose to a certain

680
00:29:09,110 --> 00:29:06,799
extent but as we can see now we're

681
00:29:12,470 --> 00:29:09,120
seeing exaggerated

682
00:29:14,630 --> 00:29:12,480
efforts on all levels with this stuff

683
00:29:17,190 --> 00:29:14,640
yeah and i think you know sometimes that

684
00:29:20,149 --> 00:29:17,200
that push that that young people are

685
00:29:22,310 --> 00:29:20,159
given to be fearful of these things just

686
00:29:24,310 --> 00:29:22,320
pushes them further you know like my

687
00:29:26,149 --> 00:29:24,320
father threw out two books and i got 10

688
00:29:27,990 --> 00:29:26,159
more because then i was like well why

689
00:29:30,470 --> 00:29:28,000
don't why don't they want me reading

690
00:29:32,710 --> 00:29:30,480
this stuff what is so harmful here

691
00:29:35,110 --> 00:29:32,720
why would they block me from some kind

692
00:29:37,990 --> 00:29:35,120
of a some kind of knowledge and in my

693
00:29:39,430 --> 00:29:38,000
young stupidness i thought an arrogance

694
00:29:41,830 --> 00:29:39,440
i thought that they were just trying to

695
00:29:43,830 --> 00:29:41,840
keep me from you know some kind of power

696
00:29:46,070 --> 00:29:43,840
that they didn't want me to have but it

697
00:29:47,830 --> 00:29:46,080
made me more curious so i guess that's

698
00:29:49,190 --> 00:29:47,840
advice to parents if you're concerned

699
00:29:50,070 --> 00:29:49,200
about your children reading about this

700
00:29:51,909 --> 00:29:50,080
stuff

701
00:29:53,510 --> 00:29:51,919
let them don't stop them because they'll

702
00:29:56,230 --> 00:29:53,520
just go you know

703
00:29:59,669 --> 00:29:56,240
much more full force into it

704
00:30:05,110 --> 00:30:02,630
i absolutely went and and and wanted to

705
00:30:07,750 --> 00:30:05,120
read more to find out and and talking to

706
00:30:09,190 --> 00:30:07,760
a priest just made me more curious like

707
00:30:11,430 --> 00:30:09,200
okay well now i'm going to read about

708
00:30:13,269 --> 00:30:11,440
demonology because you keep mentioning

709
00:30:14,149 --> 00:30:13,279
these demons and i want to know about

710
00:30:18,630 --> 00:30:14,159
them

711
00:30:23,110 --> 00:30:20,870
yeah and when you study the history and

712
00:30:25,669 --> 00:30:23,120
the lore of where even the word demon

713
00:30:27,750 --> 00:30:25,679
came from it's daemon that is the the

714
00:30:32,070 --> 00:30:27,760
parts of ourselves

715
00:30:33,990 --> 00:30:32,080
within um that wreak havoc and

716
00:30:36,470 --> 00:30:34,000
some of the ways that i kind of try to

717
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:36,480
express this

718
00:30:38,310 --> 00:30:37,050
into

719
00:30:41,909 --> 00:30:38,320
[Music]

720
00:30:43,750 --> 00:30:41,919
an area to understand is that there is a

721
00:30:44,950 --> 00:30:43,760
certain element

722
00:30:48,710 --> 00:30:44,960
of

723
00:30:51,190 --> 00:30:48,720
we are magical creatures period we

724
00:30:52,789 --> 00:30:51,200
think something and we make it manifest

725
00:30:54,230 --> 00:30:52,799
here just like the cabin that that

726
00:30:56,149 --> 00:30:54,240
you're you're building right you're

727
00:30:58,789 --> 00:30:56,159
making that manifest that's why

728
00:31:02,710 --> 00:30:58,799
i got it i got to tell you that that

729
00:31:05,590 --> 00:31:02,720
thing has been this the biggest test of

730
00:31:07,509 --> 00:31:05,600
my force of will and determination

731
00:31:09,430 --> 00:31:07,519
for those that don't know i'm doing

732
00:31:10,710 --> 00:31:09,440
something called cordwood masonry

733
00:31:12,230 --> 00:31:10,720
construction

734
00:31:15,269 --> 00:31:12,240
and doubling the size of this little

735
00:31:18,230 --> 00:31:15,279
tiny cabin and basically it involves

736
00:31:20,070 --> 00:31:18,240
chopping up trees into 200 pound blocks

737
00:31:21,190 --> 00:31:20,080
and building walls out of them with

738
00:31:22,789 --> 00:31:21,200
cement

739
00:31:23,990 --> 00:31:22,799
and i got to tell you

740
00:31:26,310 --> 00:31:24,000
that

741
00:31:28,310 --> 00:31:26,320
it's only through sheer force of will

742
00:31:31,350 --> 00:31:28,320
and determination that i have been able

743
00:31:34,070 --> 00:31:31,360
to get this farm about i think i'm about

744
00:31:36,149 --> 00:31:34,080
more than half 60 or 70 percent done i

745
00:31:37,430 --> 00:31:36,159
have the floor the roof and the side

746
00:31:39,110 --> 00:31:37,440
fills to do

747
00:31:40,310 --> 00:31:39,120
and somebody anybody can look on my

748
00:31:43,830 --> 00:31:40,320
twitter and see pictures i've been

749
00:31:46,549 --> 00:31:43,840
posting this thing is i

750
00:31:47,590 --> 00:31:46,559
say that to myself i say a prayer in the

751
00:31:49,830 --> 00:31:47,600
morning

752
00:31:52,710 --> 00:31:49,840
i'm not very big on praying but i every

753
00:31:55,190 --> 00:31:52,720
morning i say god source

754
00:31:57,509 --> 00:31:55,200
goddess give me the strength the

755
00:31:58,950 --> 00:31:57,519
physical strength the mental strength

756
00:32:00,470 --> 00:31:58,960
because there's a lot of problems that

757
00:32:02,870 --> 00:32:00,480
keep popping up

758
00:32:04,950 --> 00:32:02,880
and and give me the the force of will

759
00:32:07,190 --> 00:32:04,960
and the determination to make this

760
00:32:08,470 --> 00:32:07,200
manifest right here in front of me and i

761
00:32:09,590 --> 00:32:08,480
got to tell you

762
00:32:11,269 --> 00:32:09,600
that every

763
00:32:12,710 --> 00:32:11,279
every time i'm there i make a little bit

764
00:32:15,909 --> 00:32:12,720
more progress and i'm getting more

765
00:32:19,029 --> 00:32:15,919
confident and this is a huge huge

766
00:32:20,470 --> 00:32:19,039
undertaking for one guy to do this it's

767
00:32:22,389 --> 00:32:20,480
crazy

768
00:32:23,190 --> 00:32:22,399
and and i think that a lot of that is

769
00:32:25,029 --> 00:32:23,200
just

770
00:32:26,549 --> 00:32:25,039
like i said it's only through force of

771
00:32:28,870 --> 00:32:26,559
will and determination there's no money

772
00:32:31,190 --> 00:32:28,880
involved to build something that like

773
00:32:33,350 --> 00:32:31,200
out of a bunch of trees i call it trees

774
00:32:35,110 --> 00:32:33,360
and trash because the windows came from

775
00:32:37,269 --> 00:32:35,120
the trash somebody was throwing them out

776
00:32:39,509 --> 00:32:37,279
you know some of the wood came from you

777
00:32:42,789 --> 00:32:39,519
know neighbors that had fallen trees and

778
00:32:46,149 --> 00:32:42,799
i drug them back there it's absolutely

779
00:32:51,669 --> 00:32:49,110
yeah yeah and to me that is that

780
00:32:55,509 --> 00:32:51,679
represents one of the the

781
00:32:58,549 --> 00:32:55,519
most beautiful creative pursuits

782
00:33:00,470 --> 00:32:58,559
is is to build your own shelter like

783
00:33:03,190 --> 00:33:00,480
that you know and using all of the

784
00:33:04,070 --> 00:33:03,200
elements and using

785
00:33:07,750 --> 00:33:04,080
um

786
00:33:11,830 --> 00:33:07,760
in in a world of throwaway society it's

787
00:33:13,110 --> 00:33:11,840
amazing that you are are re-purposing

788
00:33:15,350 --> 00:33:13,120
yeah

789
00:33:16,630 --> 00:33:15,360
that's a big part of that's a big part

790
00:33:18,789 --> 00:33:16,640
of the cabin

791
00:33:20,710 --> 00:33:18,799
i have this cabin and honestly

792
00:33:22,549 --> 00:33:20,720
after buying some land and everything it

793
00:33:24,870 --> 00:33:22,559
was like i'm broke i don't have any

794
00:33:25,750 --> 00:33:24,880
money to buy materials so i learned to

795
00:33:27,669 --> 00:33:25,760
you know

796
00:33:29,430 --> 00:33:27,679
check craigslist and check

797
00:33:32,870 --> 00:33:29,440
facebook marketplace people are always

798
00:33:35,269 --> 00:33:32,880
giving away something and uh repurposing

799
00:33:37,110 --> 00:33:35,279
i built a woodshed out of trash that

800
00:33:38,630 --> 00:33:37,120
somebody was ripping down a barn and i

801
00:33:40,549 --> 00:33:38,640
took a bunch of wood from them and i

802
00:33:43,350 --> 00:33:40,559
built a wood shed out of it i built a

803
00:33:46,310 --> 00:33:43,360
workshop shed next to the cabin and uh

804
00:33:47,350 --> 00:33:46,320
that's a big deal for me is to is to

805
00:33:49,190 --> 00:33:47,360
just see

806
00:33:51,110 --> 00:33:49,200
and and and it's teaching me too to see

807
00:33:52,630 --> 00:33:51,120
things like some people see a pile of

808
00:33:54,230 --> 00:33:52,640
wood that's trash and you're going to

809
00:33:55,830 --> 00:33:54,240
have to deal with that i see that as a

810
00:33:58,950 --> 00:33:55,840
resource now

811
00:34:02,630 --> 00:33:59,990
yeah

812
00:34:04,789 --> 00:34:02,640
and that's that's what we talk about so

813
00:34:07,669 --> 00:34:04,799
much with um here at what's what's

814
00:34:10,869 --> 00:34:07,679
called now mystic mountain is

815
00:34:12,310 --> 00:34:10,879
the mindset that we we change and we

816
00:34:13,990 --> 00:34:12,320
look at it from a whole different

817
00:34:16,710 --> 00:34:14,000
perspective and each one of us

818
00:34:18,710 --> 00:34:16,720
individually has to do that as you were

819
00:34:20,710 --> 00:34:18,720
explaining that it reminded me of the

820
00:34:22,149 --> 00:34:20,720
last article i just posted on the

821
00:34:24,710 --> 00:34:22,159
website by

822
00:34:28,950 --> 00:34:24,720
um element she was the other gal on that

823
00:34:34,470 --> 00:34:31,990
she has been focusing she's making tea

824
00:34:36,470 --> 00:34:34,480
bags from scratch just for the heck of

825
00:34:38,629 --> 00:34:36,480
it you need to read that already that's

826
00:34:39,990 --> 00:34:38,639
crazy yeah

827
00:34:41,030 --> 00:34:40,000
but you know what it sounds like

828
00:34:45,270 --> 00:34:41,040
something

829
00:34:50,389 --> 00:34:47,589
yeah and and that's what we really try

830
00:34:51,829 --> 00:34:50,399
to um you know promote with people is to

831
00:34:52,790 --> 00:34:51,839
get back to

832
00:34:57,510 --> 00:34:52,800
the

833
00:35:00,390 --> 00:34:57,520
consumers that we keep telling

834
00:35:03,349 --> 00:35:00,400
that we keep being told that we are

835
00:35:05,430 --> 00:35:03,359
consume consume consume right

836
00:35:06,710 --> 00:35:05,440
yeah and i'm real big i'm real big on

837
00:35:09,190 --> 00:35:06,720
this like

838
00:35:11,030 --> 00:35:09,200
it's one thing and it's still skill for

839
00:35:13,670 --> 00:35:11,040
somebody to go to home depot or lowe's

840
00:35:15,670 --> 00:35:13,680
or wherever a lumber yard and buy all

841
00:35:17,109 --> 00:35:15,680
the materials right off the shelf and

842
00:35:18,550 --> 00:35:17,119
build something

843
00:35:20,950 --> 00:35:18,560
but if you can take like you were

844
00:35:23,589 --> 00:35:20,960
talking about the elements

845
00:35:26,470 --> 00:35:23,599
now i have this cabin that's being built

846
00:35:28,470 --> 00:35:26,480
out of mostly trees and cement and i

847
00:35:30,950 --> 00:35:28,480
mean huge logs and then

848
00:35:32,710 --> 00:35:30,960
i'm to put a stone floor i just built a

849
00:35:34,630 --> 00:35:32,720
stone threshold the first one i ever

850
00:35:36,950 --> 00:35:34,640
built because i'm in the mountains and

851
00:35:38,390 --> 00:35:36,960
there's stone all over the property nice

852
00:35:40,069 --> 00:35:38,400
flat stones

853
00:35:42,230 --> 00:35:40,079
you know so

854
00:35:44,150 --> 00:35:42,240
as you were talking about the elements

855
00:35:46,470 --> 00:35:44,160
i'm going to use the stone to make a

856
00:35:48,550 --> 00:35:46,480
floor because why should i buy pieces

857
00:35:50,230 --> 00:35:48,560
when all the pieces i started looking

858
00:35:52,150 --> 00:35:50,240
around and had this sudden realization

859
00:35:54,230 --> 00:35:52,160
when i wanted to build this thing that

860
00:35:56,470 --> 00:35:54,240
everything that i needed mostly was

861
00:35:59,349 --> 00:35:56,480
right there it was right in the forest i

862
00:36:01,670 --> 00:35:59,359
just had to go i call it my off-grid you

863
00:36:03,829 --> 00:36:01,680
know uh supply store

864
00:36:06,950 --> 00:36:03,839
like my wife laughs at me because i take

865
00:36:08,790 --> 00:36:06,960
walks i go i i need a couple of of this

866
00:36:11,109 --> 00:36:08,800
size log i'm gonna go see what's in the

867
00:36:13,349 --> 00:36:11,119
forest behind us you know and i go

868
00:36:14,870 --> 00:36:13,359
walking off and i usually find and i'm

869
00:36:17,270 --> 00:36:14,880
real big on this too

870
00:36:19,430 --> 00:36:17,280
all the trees that i'm using are fallen

871
00:36:22,150 --> 00:36:19,440
trees that would just rot away in the

872
00:36:24,710 --> 00:36:22,160
forest and and you know i won't cut a

873
00:36:26,950 --> 00:36:24,720
live tree or they're standing dead

874
00:36:28,790 --> 00:36:26,960
they're already dead so you know that's

875
00:36:31,190 --> 00:36:28,800
another big thing for me but all the

876
00:36:33,270 --> 00:36:31,200
resources i started looking around going

877
00:36:35,109 --> 00:36:33,280
everything is here i just have to put it

878
00:36:38,870 --> 00:36:35,119
together and one it's just one huge

879
00:36:43,349 --> 00:36:41,349
yeah and in a way you're actually

880
00:36:45,910 --> 00:36:43,359
naturally doing the stewardship you're

881
00:36:47,670 --> 00:36:45,920
taking the deadfall which makes a fire

882
00:36:48,470 --> 00:36:47,680
hazard right

883
00:36:50,390 --> 00:36:48,480
and

884
00:36:52,829 --> 00:36:50,400
you know moving that through but then we

885
00:36:55,510 --> 00:36:52,839
do need fire as well that that's what

886
00:36:56,310 --> 00:36:55,520
rejuvenates and restarts the forest

887
00:36:58,550 --> 00:36:56,320
right

888
00:37:00,230 --> 00:36:58,560
that we don't need to purple

889
00:37:02,550 --> 00:37:00,240
purposefully if if we're going to live

890
00:37:05,750 --> 00:37:02,560
and dwell on there we we do have the

891
00:37:07,510 --> 00:37:05,760
responsibility to you know steward that

892
00:37:09,990 --> 00:37:07,520
a little bit and i love how how you're

893
00:37:12,550 --> 00:37:10,000
doing that in you know putting it in and

894
00:37:13,670 --> 00:37:12,560
building your own shelter there that's

895
00:37:15,829 --> 00:37:13,680
amazing

896
00:37:16,950 --> 00:37:15,839
yeah it will be if i ever finish it it's

897
00:37:18,870 --> 00:37:16,960
the biggest

898
00:37:20,310 --> 00:37:18,880
i never really built anything before i

899
00:37:22,150 --> 00:37:20,320
bought that land and started building

900
00:37:24,230 --> 00:37:22,160
stuff so for me it's all been a learning

901
00:37:26,470 --> 00:37:24,240
experience and

902
00:37:28,870 --> 00:37:26,480
also i've just learned a lot of personal

903
00:37:30,230 --> 00:37:28,880
lessons like i think it was tony robbins

904
00:37:32,550 --> 00:37:30,240
who said

905
00:37:33,430 --> 00:37:32,560
i became unstoppable because i chose to

906
00:37:34,630 --> 00:37:33,440
be

907
00:37:37,190 --> 00:37:34,640
and

908
00:37:39,190 --> 00:37:37,200
some kind of huge project like this i i

909
00:37:40,630 --> 00:37:39,200
didn't have a choice i just had to say

910
00:37:42,390 --> 00:37:40,640
you know i have a neighbor there who

911
00:37:44,069 --> 00:37:42,400
keeps coming around and checking out my

912
00:37:46,150 --> 00:37:44,079
progress and he goes i can't believe how

913
00:37:48,870 --> 00:37:46,160
good this is this is amazing and i said

914
00:37:50,630 --> 00:37:48,880
i have no idea what i'm doing i read a

915
00:37:53,670 --> 00:37:50,640
couple of books i have no idea what i'm

916
00:37:56,870 --> 00:37:53,680
doing and he said just keep doing it

917
00:37:59,349 --> 00:37:56,880
so that's where i'm at with that project

918
00:38:01,270 --> 00:37:59,359
yeah and and that's what we're big about

919
00:38:04,310 --> 00:38:01,280
here as well is the practical

920
00:38:07,109 --> 00:38:04,320
application and um you know the the

921
00:38:09,430 --> 00:38:07,119
experiential part of it we can read

922
00:38:11,430 --> 00:38:09,440
these concepts all we want to we we can

923
00:38:14,150 --> 00:38:11,440
surf the internet for all of the info

924
00:38:15,349 --> 00:38:14,160
porn that we can you know even

925
00:38:20,390 --> 00:38:15,359
i love that

926
00:38:25,030 --> 00:38:22,390
one of the writing piles that i have on

927
00:38:30,550 --> 00:38:25,040
the info porn we've got voyeurs we've

928
00:38:34,390 --> 00:38:32,550
it's kind of been a fun writing i don't

929
00:38:36,069 --> 00:38:34,400
know if that's ever really going to get

930
00:38:38,150 --> 00:38:36,079
out there and get published or not i've

931
00:38:40,950 --> 00:38:38,160
got a couple that i'm working on that's

932
00:38:43,430 --> 00:38:40,960
kind of how i process things but

933
00:38:45,349 --> 00:38:43,440
but yeah the going out there you can

934
00:38:47,670 --> 00:38:45,359
read it all you want to you can

935
00:38:50,150 --> 00:38:47,680
conceptualize it you can toss it around

936
00:38:51,030 --> 00:38:50,160
and talk it but until you pull it in

937
00:38:52,710 --> 00:38:51,040
from

938
00:38:55,030 --> 00:38:52,720
that's what i'm talking about with the

939
00:38:57,430 --> 00:38:55,040
magic part you've got the realms of form

940
00:39:00,470 --> 00:38:57,440
and the realms of non-form which one

941
00:39:03,510 --> 00:39:00,480
concept is the inner and the outer the

942
00:39:05,589 --> 00:39:03,520
inner being and the outer and as you're

943
00:39:08,790 --> 00:39:05,599
bringing that in you have to bring it

944
00:39:11,589 --> 00:39:08,800
inside and incorporate it in the dark

945
00:39:14,150 --> 00:39:11,599
okay absolutely

946
00:39:16,390 --> 00:39:14,160
and that's the experiential part and

947
00:39:17,829 --> 00:39:16,400
then you throw in there that's the part

948
00:39:21,190 --> 00:39:17,839
where you have to go through all of the

949
00:39:24,150 --> 00:39:21,200
filters and the interfaces of the

950
00:39:27,750 --> 00:39:24,160
mind the psyche the soul the spirit you

951
00:39:30,870 --> 00:39:27,760
know and and how that all interfaces and

952
00:39:33,349 --> 00:39:30,880
you don't only that's where we got a

953
00:39:36,069 --> 00:39:33,359
little bit messed up in the trajectory

954
00:39:37,270 --> 00:39:36,079
of humanity with magic ancient primal

955
00:39:40,950 --> 00:39:37,280
magic

956
00:39:44,310 --> 00:39:40,960
is the focus on bringing non-form into

957
00:39:46,950 --> 00:39:44,320
form okay and creating because that that

958
00:39:50,310 --> 00:39:46,960
that is very satisfying it's very um you

959
00:39:53,829 --> 00:39:50,320
know hands-on but then how to take form

960
00:39:55,589 --> 00:39:53,839
and put it back into non-form and that's

961
00:39:58,470 --> 00:39:55,599
precisely what you're talking about

962
00:40:00,310 --> 00:39:58,480
there is you know the information

963
00:40:04,150 --> 00:40:00,320
and knowledge and wisdom because you

964
00:40:06,390 --> 00:40:04,160
need to bring it back in to process it

965
00:40:08,550 --> 00:40:06,400
and then put it back out we're like a

966
00:40:10,710 --> 00:40:08,560
recycling

967
00:40:12,150 --> 00:40:10,720
being here in these vessels yeah

968
00:40:13,510 --> 00:40:12,160
absolutely i think that's a good way to

969
00:40:14,710 --> 00:40:13,520
put it and you know one of the other

970
00:40:15,829 --> 00:40:14,720
things that i've been thinking a lot

971
00:40:17,990 --> 00:40:15,839
lately is

972
00:40:20,870 --> 00:40:18,000
you mentioned that anybody can read some

973
00:40:22,390 --> 00:40:20,880
books or or deal with this info porn but

974
00:40:24,390 --> 00:40:22,400
you really have to get your hands dirty

975
00:40:26,069 --> 00:40:24,400
and do it and uh

976
00:40:27,990 --> 00:40:26,079
there's another magician his name is j

977
00:40:31,030 --> 00:40:28,000
scott barry i just want to shout out to

978
00:40:33,109 --> 00:40:31,040
j scott barry amazing magician and uh he

979
00:40:36,150 --> 00:40:33,119
has a saying let adversity fuel your

980
00:40:37,990 --> 00:40:36,160
fire and i start this project and

981
00:40:39,750 --> 00:40:38,000
everybody's telling me you can't do that

982
00:40:42,309 --> 00:40:39,760
it's not going to work and i just kind

983
00:40:44,470 --> 00:40:42,319
of think hold my beer watch you don't

984
00:40:46,950 --> 00:40:44,480
know me you don't know my heart you

985
00:40:49,270 --> 00:40:46,960
don't know my force of will the level of

986
00:40:50,950 --> 00:40:49,280
my determination to do this

987
00:40:52,790 --> 00:40:50,960
i'm not going to be stopped

988
00:40:55,030 --> 00:40:52,800
and it's kind of funny to me you're

989
00:40:57,030 --> 00:40:55,040
saying that people need to you know more

990
00:40:58,710 --> 00:40:57,040
than just the info porn yeah i'm fine

991
00:41:00,550 --> 00:40:58,720
with taking criticism from people that

992
00:41:02,790 --> 00:41:00,560
have done more than you know if

993
00:41:04,390 --> 00:41:02,800
somebody's built five cabins i'm sure as

994
00:41:06,230 --> 00:41:04,400
hell gonna listen to that person but if

995
00:41:07,990 --> 00:41:06,240
somebody's never built anything tell me

996
00:41:10,790 --> 00:41:08,000
it's not going to work no i i don't

997
00:41:12,230 --> 00:41:10,800
think i want to listen to you you know

998
00:41:14,309 --> 00:41:12,240
but these people with a practical

999
00:41:15,990 --> 00:41:14,319
experience and knowledge who

1000
00:41:18,309 --> 00:41:16,000
went and got the knowledge and then did

1001
00:41:21,349 --> 00:41:18,319
something with it that's the difference

1002
00:41:23,109 --> 00:41:21,359
you know i think that's important

1003
00:41:25,270 --> 00:41:23,119
yes

1004
00:41:27,750 --> 00:41:25,280
that's amazing and you know

1005
00:41:29,910 --> 00:41:27,760
that's becoming so far and few between

1006
00:41:31,349 --> 00:41:29,920
anymore you know that that's become the

1007
00:41:33,430 --> 00:41:31,359
louder part

1008
00:41:35,430 --> 00:41:33,440
of what's going on with what we're

1009
00:41:37,270 --> 00:41:35,440
seeing on the internet and stuff right

1010
00:41:40,630 --> 00:41:37,280
now is people that

1011
00:41:42,870 --> 00:41:40,640
have never experienced any of this all

1012
00:41:44,950 --> 00:41:42,880
of a sudden becoming experts for one

1013
00:41:47,030 --> 00:41:44,960
reason or another unfortunately some of

1014
00:41:48,950 --> 00:41:47,040
it's for money making stuff right yeah

1015
00:41:50,390 --> 00:41:48,960
oh yeah absolutely and i i thought we

1016
00:41:52,390 --> 00:41:50,400
could get into some of that stuff

1017
00:41:55,030 --> 00:41:52,400
because you've been

1018
00:41:58,470 --> 00:41:55,040
commenting and seeing on some of this

1019
00:42:01,670 --> 00:41:58,480
cult-like strange nefarious

1020
00:42:03,990 --> 00:42:01,680
behaviors in the so-called new age or i

1021
00:42:05,349 --> 00:42:04,000
don't even know what conspiracy ufo

1022
00:42:08,069 --> 00:42:05,359
community

1023
00:42:10,150 --> 00:42:08,079
everything seems to intersect you know

1024
00:42:13,109 --> 00:42:10,160
and some people are just out there

1025
00:42:15,190 --> 00:42:13,119
making a good amount of money and it

1026
00:42:17,190 --> 00:42:15,200
seems to me to be very discouraging

1027
00:42:19,589 --> 00:42:17,200
because i think a lot of people are

1028
00:42:21,990 --> 00:42:19,599
doing excellent work they get no money

1029
00:42:23,670 --> 00:42:22,000
no recognition and

1030
00:42:25,750 --> 00:42:23,680
these other people are just out there

1031
00:42:27,190 --> 00:42:25,760
telling stories and i guess people are

1032
00:42:30,630 --> 00:42:27,200
hungry for stories because they're

1033
00:42:31,910 --> 00:42:30,640
making bank right now

1034
00:42:34,390 --> 00:42:31,920
how do you feel

1035
00:42:36,630 --> 00:42:34,400
and that part are so many people that

1036
00:42:38,470 --> 00:42:36,640
are being targeted that have the good

1037
00:42:40,470 --> 00:42:38,480
information as well that's kind of where

1038
00:42:43,670 --> 00:42:40,480
my personal story

1039
00:42:45,430 --> 00:42:43,680
has really um interwoven in that quite a

1040
00:42:46,390 --> 00:42:45,440
bit

1041
00:42:48,309 --> 00:42:46,400
but

1042
00:42:50,870 --> 00:42:48,319
just for a little bit of a background

1043
00:42:55,349 --> 00:42:50,880
for the listeners here that's part of my

1044
00:42:59,190 --> 00:42:55,359
professional and academic background is

1045
00:43:00,950 --> 00:42:59,200
i worked as a most primarily an

1046
00:43:03,109 --> 00:43:00,960
addictions counselor

1047
00:43:05,750 --> 00:43:03,119
but incorporating a lot of the

1048
00:43:09,270 --> 00:43:05,760
trauma-based

1049
00:43:10,470 --> 00:43:09,280
features of that as well as i got into a

1050
00:43:12,950 --> 00:43:10,480
lot of

1051
00:43:15,190 --> 00:43:12,960
the cult exit counseling

1052
00:43:19,109 --> 00:43:15,200
and that goes back to even my personal

1053
00:43:21,670 --> 00:43:19,119
background of being raised and being a

1054
00:43:24,550 --> 00:43:21,680
subject of mk ultra

1055
00:43:26,630 --> 00:43:24,560
okay and i don't talk a lot about that

1056
00:43:28,790 --> 00:43:26,640
the details of that especially now

1057
00:43:30,950 --> 00:43:28,800
because that's part of what my ptsd is

1058
00:43:33,190 --> 00:43:30,960
coming from right now

1059
00:43:34,069 --> 00:43:33,200
is because when

1060
00:43:46,309 --> 00:43:34,079
the

1061
00:43:50,550 --> 00:43:46,319
of listeners i understand but

1062
00:43:52,309 --> 00:43:50,560
i saw that as a precursor of this social

1063
00:43:55,030 --> 00:43:52,319
programming

1064
00:43:56,790 --> 00:43:55,040
coming in um that we're starting to see

1065
00:43:58,630 --> 00:43:56,800
on like a

1066
00:44:00,710 --> 00:43:58,640
that was the beta test and now they're

1067
00:44:02,710 --> 00:44:00,720
it's really kicking off right now with

1068
00:44:05,190 --> 00:44:02,720
all of this do you mean the scare i

1069
00:44:07,349 --> 00:44:05,200
remember like maybe it was mid or or

1070
00:44:09,910 --> 00:44:07,359
maybe even early 80s where there was all

1071
00:44:11,510 --> 00:44:09,920
these scares about satanic

1072
00:44:13,349 --> 00:44:11,520
cults and

1073
00:44:15,270 --> 00:44:13,359
and there was a lot of uh

1074
00:44:17,589 --> 00:44:15,280
talk about that

1075
00:44:19,349 --> 00:44:17,599
ritual satanic abuse and there was

1076
00:44:21,109 --> 00:44:19,359
people that were making accusations

1077
00:44:23,109 --> 00:44:21,119
against people that later got found to

1078
00:44:26,390 --> 00:44:23,119
be completely totally false people went

1079
00:44:29,109 --> 00:44:26,400
to jail for some of this stuff

1080
00:44:30,630 --> 00:44:29,119
yeah and that was that was during the

1081
00:44:33,910 --> 00:44:30,640
time when

1082
00:44:37,030 --> 00:44:33,920
my programming started breaking down and

1083
00:44:39,670 --> 00:44:37,040
my diagnostic stuff now there's there's

1084
00:44:42,550 --> 00:44:39,680
a number of other

1085
00:44:45,030 --> 00:44:42,560
video interviews i've done back a couple

1086
00:44:48,069 --> 00:44:45,040
years ago or or such that goes into a

1087
00:44:51,109 --> 00:44:48,079
little bit more detail on that

1088
00:44:53,510 --> 00:44:51,119
but i i had a period of time that i was

1089
00:44:55,349 --> 00:44:53,520
in and out of mental hospitals um i call

1090
00:44:57,349 --> 00:44:55,359
that my field research because i was

1091
00:44:58,950 --> 00:44:57,359
also in school for psychology at the

1092
00:45:00,470 --> 00:44:58,960
time

1093
00:45:02,230 --> 00:45:00,480
that's interesting intersection of

1094
00:45:05,589 --> 00:45:02,240
things

1095
00:45:08,550 --> 00:45:05,599
yeah i i had over 17 suicide attempts or

1096
00:45:11,670 --> 00:45:08,560
i had to be revived out of

1097
00:45:12,630 --> 00:45:11,680
flashbacks like crazy because of what i

1098
00:45:14,710 --> 00:45:12,640
had

1099
00:45:17,589 --> 00:45:14,720
been born into

1100
00:45:20,950 --> 00:45:17,599
so when that was happening was exactly

1101
00:45:24,870 --> 00:45:20,960
the same time that this um this

1102
00:45:27,990 --> 00:45:24,880
frenzy started up in the 80s and 90s and

1103
00:45:29,829 --> 00:45:28,000
there's some uncanny similarities with

1104
00:45:31,990 --> 00:45:29,839
this and that's kind of what i'm i'm

1105
00:45:34,150 --> 00:45:32,000
writing about this is just one side of

1106
00:45:36,390 --> 00:45:34,160
this alt cult

1107
00:45:38,309 --> 00:45:36,400
idea that i'm i'm kind of writing and

1108
00:45:39,829 --> 00:45:38,319
trying to get put out there now i don't

1109
00:45:43,510 --> 00:45:39,839
know if i'm going to be successful

1110
00:45:45,829 --> 00:45:43,520
because of my own personal

1111
00:45:48,069 --> 00:45:45,839
breakdowns that are going on physically

1112
00:45:49,349 --> 00:45:48,079
and everything due to all of this

1113
00:45:52,550 --> 00:45:49,359
but

1114
00:45:55,589 --> 00:45:52,560
anyway um the

1115
00:45:57,430 --> 00:45:55,599
um trying to see which direction i want

1116
00:45:59,190 --> 00:45:57,440
to come with on this

1117
00:46:00,790 --> 00:45:59,200
that would make more sense and try to

1118
00:46:03,190 --> 00:46:00,800
link it through

1119
00:46:05,510 --> 00:46:03,200
one thing that happened back in the 80s

1120
00:46:07,270 --> 00:46:05,520
and the 90s with this

1121
00:46:09,750 --> 00:46:07,280
satanic

1122
00:46:12,829 --> 00:46:09,760
ritual abuse

1123
00:46:16,550 --> 00:46:12,839
is it was a day care center

1124
00:46:19,589 --> 00:46:16,560
that was accused of

1125
00:46:22,390 --> 00:46:19,599
molesting and sacrificing children

1126
00:46:24,470 --> 00:46:22,400
okay so we've got this repeat narrative

1127
00:46:26,230 --> 00:46:24,480
that is coming back around again and i'm

1128
00:46:28,390 --> 00:46:26,240
not no way

1129
00:46:30,069 --> 00:46:28,400
no way saying that this doesn't happen

1130
00:46:33,589 --> 00:46:30,079
it very much does

1131
00:46:36,710 --> 00:46:33,599
i was very much tortured as a child and

1132
00:46:38,390 --> 00:46:36,720
and um put under some scrutiny kind of

1133
00:46:39,750 --> 00:46:38,400
stuff so i'm not saying it doesn't

1134
00:46:43,910 --> 00:46:39,760
happen

1135
00:46:47,430 --> 00:46:43,920
is

1136
00:46:51,270 --> 00:46:47,440
it was being fed into the media at such

1137
00:46:53,990 --> 00:46:51,280
a verocity the fear was being so pumped

1138
00:46:54,829 --> 00:46:54,000
in there from the churches and

1139
00:46:57,349 --> 00:46:54,839
other

1140
00:46:59,750 --> 00:46:57,359
establishments and

1141
00:47:02,470 --> 00:46:59,760
pretty soon what was happening even

1142
00:47:04,470 --> 00:47:02,480
well-meaning psychologists and this is

1143
00:47:06,790 --> 00:47:04,480
where my training was coming in as well

1144
00:47:07,910 --> 00:47:06,800
because i was also in involved on that

1145
00:47:10,870 --> 00:47:07,920
end of it

1146
00:47:14,309 --> 00:47:10,880
and we were seeing a lot of patients or

1147
00:47:17,430 --> 00:47:14,319
clients coming in and then formulating

1148
00:47:20,309 --> 00:47:17,440
these false memories

1149
00:47:23,990 --> 00:47:20,319
just through the encouragement

1150
00:47:25,829 --> 00:47:24,000
of trying because most people were not

1151
00:47:27,510 --> 00:47:25,839
experienced with this kind of a

1152
00:47:31,270 --> 00:47:27,520
trauma-based

1153
00:47:34,069 --> 00:47:31,280
um bringing up the the embedded memories

1154
00:47:35,270 --> 00:47:34,079
kind of thing so it was encouraging this

1155
00:47:40,309 --> 00:47:35,280
frenzy

1156
00:47:43,270 --> 00:47:40,319
and then it finally hit a point a peak

1157
00:47:46,150 --> 00:47:43,280
where people started coming out of this

1158
00:47:49,190 --> 00:47:46,160
and here we talk about the illusion okay

1159
00:47:50,710 --> 00:47:49,200
the illusionary magic that was woven

1160
00:47:52,950 --> 00:47:50,720
into this

1161
00:47:56,230 --> 00:47:52,960
it started crumbling because

1162
00:47:57,910 --> 00:47:56,240
illusion tends to not be very stable it

1163
00:47:59,829 --> 00:47:57,920
starts crumbling and that's kind of i'm

1164
00:48:01,510 --> 00:47:59,839
glad we're finally seeing it right now

1165
00:48:03,109 --> 00:48:01,520
in this point

1166
00:48:05,270 --> 00:48:03,119
on this part of it

1167
00:48:07,990 --> 00:48:05,280
but it's still a very uncomfortable

1168
00:48:09,990 --> 00:48:08,000
thing for people to experience but

1169
00:48:12,309 --> 00:48:10,000
then people started

1170
00:48:14,309 --> 00:48:12,319
realizing that they had made this up

1171
00:48:17,910 --> 00:48:14,319
they had run around accused family

1172
00:48:20,870 --> 00:48:17,920
members of raping and torturing them and

1173
00:48:23,670 --> 00:48:20,880
found out that that was not the case

1174
00:48:26,309 --> 00:48:23,680
that these memories were actually false

1175
00:48:28,069 --> 00:48:26,319
memories and there is some theories out

1176
00:48:29,270 --> 00:48:28,079
there that some of it was intentional

1177
00:48:31,589 --> 00:48:29,280
planning

1178
00:48:33,990 --> 00:48:31,599
but i won't go into the differentiation

1179
00:48:36,790 --> 00:48:34,000
of that what i like to look at more is

1180
00:48:38,790 --> 00:48:36,800
the patterns of how it sets up and what

1181
00:48:43,109 --> 00:48:38,800
the individual can do

1182
00:48:48,950 --> 00:48:45,589
the warning signs of what's going on

1183
00:48:51,510 --> 00:48:48,960
around them healing what had why it is

1184
00:48:53,349 --> 00:48:51,520
um stimulating them from the inside

1185
00:48:55,910 --> 00:48:53,359
because you have to have some kind of

1186
00:48:57,270 --> 00:48:55,920
something inside you that you can

1187
00:48:59,510 --> 00:48:57,280
um

1188
00:49:00,870 --> 00:48:59,520
connect with just like your synapses in

1189
00:49:04,630 --> 00:49:00,880
your brain

1190
00:49:09,109 --> 00:49:04,640
you know have to have the the um

1191
00:49:11,190 --> 00:49:09,119
receiver and the progenitor you know so

1192
00:49:14,390 --> 00:49:11,200
anyway they

1193
00:49:17,349 --> 00:49:14,400
it is the same pattern that is happening

1194
00:49:20,309 --> 00:49:17,359
and it goes into more of the social

1195
00:49:23,030 --> 00:49:20,319
psychology of it which another one of my

1196
00:49:25,109 --> 00:49:23,040
majors was social science i had a triple

1197
00:49:28,150 --> 00:49:25,119
major double minor

1198
00:49:31,109 --> 00:49:28,160
during this time and the social part

1199
00:49:33,829 --> 00:49:31,119
what i see is what individual people are

1200
00:49:35,430 --> 00:49:33,839
experiencing gets projected out into the

1201
00:49:39,510 --> 00:49:35,440
social network

1202
00:49:42,069 --> 00:49:39,520
and what i'm seeing is an absolute um

1203
00:49:43,829 --> 00:49:42,079
social psychosis going on and building

1204
00:49:46,470 --> 00:49:43,839
again that's exactly what happened in

1205
00:49:48,470 --> 00:49:46,480
the 80s and 90s

1206
00:49:50,549 --> 00:49:48,480
yeah i'm seeing a lot of that in the

1207
00:49:53,270 --> 00:49:50,559
so-called community where like anybody

1208
00:49:55,190 --> 00:49:53,280
that criticizes certain people suddenly

1209
00:49:57,829 --> 00:49:55,200
they're they're a satan worshiper or

1210
00:49:59,430 --> 00:49:57,839
they're luciferian or or something it

1211
00:50:02,069 --> 00:49:59,440
just seems like a

1212
00:50:03,270 --> 00:50:02,079
just like a narrative like well that's

1213
00:50:05,030 --> 00:50:03,280
my defense

1214
00:50:06,790 --> 00:50:05,040
i don't have any proof or any evidence

1215
00:50:09,349 --> 00:50:06,800
of anything i've been talking about for

1216
00:50:11,349 --> 00:50:09,359
years but this person is criticizing me

1217
00:50:14,470 --> 00:50:11,359
so they must be luciferian they're the

1218
00:50:16,630 --> 00:50:14,480
dark cabal or alliance or like

1219
00:50:19,510 --> 00:50:16,640
it just it just seems childish to me

1220
00:50:21,750 --> 00:50:19,520
it's like a bad movie you know

1221
00:50:24,470 --> 00:50:21,760
where those dark forces are out to stop

1222
00:50:26,150 --> 00:50:24,480
this person and like it's it's like

1223
00:50:29,030 --> 00:50:26,160
they're delusional and just creating

1224
00:50:31,589 --> 00:50:29,040
these fantasies but some people believe

1225
00:50:33,750 --> 00:50:31,599
them which is dangerous it's very

1226
00:50:35,190 --> 00:50:33,760
dangerous

1227
00:50:37,030 --> 00:50:35,200
i got asked

1228
00:50:39,430 --> 00:50:37,040
i just got asked if i

1229
00:50:41,670 --> 00:50:39,440
like what my position on

1230
00:50:43,910 --> 00:50:41,680
did i believe in satan am i a satan

1231
00:50:47,430 --> 00:50:43,920
worshiper and what do i think about

1232
00:50:48,790 --> 00:50:47,440
pedophilia like in public on twitter and

1233
00:50:51,270 --> 00:50:48,800
first of all

1234
00:50:52,630 --> 00:50:51,280
i think that's so stupid because if i

1235
00:50:54,390 --> 00:50:52,640
truly was a

1236
00:50:58,069 --> 00:50:54,400
let's let's say i was some kind of

1237
00:51:00,309 --> 00:50:58,079
sickening you know terribly evil person

1238
00:51:02,870 --> 00:51:00,319
and and was into all that stuff

1239
00:51:05,430 --> 00:51:02,880
would i publicly say sure on twitter

1240
00:51:08,069 --> 00:51:05,440
it's so stupid and of course i said i'm

1241
00:51:10,309 --> 00:51:08,079
absolutely against any any harm to any

1242
00:51:11,910 --> 00:51:10,319
child and yeah i believe in satan

1243
00:51:13,589 --> 00:51:11,920
because i was raised catholic it's kind

1244
00:51:15,190 --> 00:51:13,599
of hard not to believe in

1245
00:51:15,990 --> 00:51:15,200
an opposing force

1246
00:51:17,829 --> 00:51:16,000
but

1247
00:51:18,710 --> 00:51:17,839
it just seems to me that

1248
00:51:20,150 --> 00:51:18,720
that

1249
00:51:21,750 --> 00:51:20,160
some of these people in the community

1250
00:51:24,710 --> 00:51:21,760
are running around making these

1251
00:51:27,109 --> 00:51:24,720
accusations at people with no basis at

1252
00:51:31,750 --> 00:51:29,750
yep and that that's historically that

1253
00:51:34,549 --> 00:51:31,760
that's what went behind the witch hunts

1254
00:51:37,109 --> 00:51:34,559
that's what went behind the inquisitions

1255
00:51:39,990 --> 00:51:37,119
um you know we we have got a tinderbed

1256
00:51:42,630 --> 00:51:40,000
going on on the internet and in society

1257
00:51:45,270 --> 00:51:42,640
right now and people are so heightened

1258
00:51:47,750 --> 00:51:45,280
and feared and stressed they're willing

1259
00:51:48,950 --> 00:51:47,760
to believe some of the most atrocious

1260
00:51:50,870 --> 00:51:48,960
absurd

1261
00:51:53,109 --> 00:51:50,880
things that are coming out there without

1262
00:51:56,150 --> 00:51:53,119
stepping back taking a breath

1263
00:51:59,349 --> 00:51:56,160
really looking at where did even the

1264
00:52:03,430 --> 00:51:59,359
concept of lucifer and satan

1265
00:52:07,190 --> 00:52:03,440
in this scheme of things even originate

1266
00:52:10,150 --> 00:52:07,200
and people do not want to take the time

1267
00:52:13,270 --> 00:52:10,160
to go back and look at how that got

1268
00:52:16,150 --> 00:52:13,280
interjected into the larger narrative

1269
00:52:20,230 --> 00:52:16,160
and built upon in just a simple white

1270
00:52:22,390 --> 00:52:20,240
hat black hat us versus them evil versus

1271
00:52:27,750 --> 00:52:22,400
good duality

1272
00:52:31,750 --> 00:52:29,750
you know i'm not saying that there isn't

1273
00:52:34,549 --> 00:52:31,760
opposing forces like i said in the

1274
00:52:36,710 --> 00:52:34,559
natural world we have to have opposing

1275
00:52:40,470 --> 00:52:36,720
forces

1276
00:52:44,230 --> 00:52:40,480
but to the exaggeration of what

1277
00:52:46,549 --> 00:52:44,240
is being tossed around out there

1278
00:52:49,910 --> 00:52:46,559
so many people they they say one of

1279
00:52:53,030 --> 00:52:49,920
these words or concepts and have no

1280
00:52:54,309 --> 00:52:53,040
real clue what it really means to them

1281
00:52:56,150 --> 00:52:54,319
personally

1282
00:52:59,030 --> 00:52:56,160
they have just heard it from someone

1283
00:53:01,589 --> 00:52:59,040
else it excites the emotions we've got

1284
00:53:04,150 --> 00:53:01,599
this social construct of being

1285
00:53:05,750 --> 00:53:04,160
continually bombarded

1286
00:53:08,870 --> 00:53:05,760
with heightened

1287
00:53:12,470 --> 00:53:08,880
emotions and

1288
00:53:15,430 --> 00:53:12,480
erotic sensations and keeping everybody

1289
00:53:18,390 --> 00:53:15,440
in the fight or flight or freeze mode

1290
00:53:21,510 --> 00:53:18,400
instead of down like um

1291
00:53:23,270 --> 00:53:21,520
into the healing areas of

1292
00:53:24,630 --> 00:53:23,280
that's where i get problems with is

1293
00:53:26,630 --> 00:53:24,640
people always you got to raise your

1294
00:53:29,430 --> 00:53:26,640
vibration and stay in this higher

1295
00:53:32,150 --> 00:53:29,440
vibration lower vibrations are bad

1296
00:53:33,829 --> 00:53:32,160
no lower vibrations is where our body

1297
00:53:38,390 --> 00:53:33,839
rests and heals

1298
00:53:45,270 --> 00:53:42,069
you know battling for survival we can't

1299
00:53:47,270 --> 00:53:45,280
stay in survivor mode forever yeah that

1300
00:53:48,790 --> 00:53:47,280
fight or flight will uh will wear you

1301
00:53:52,150 --> 00:53:48,800
out real quick if you stay in that

1302
00:53:53,829 --> 00:53:52,160
flight fight or flight mode right

1303
00:53:56,309 --> 00:53:53,839
yeah and that's kind of that's what i'm

1304
00:53:59,589 --> 00:53:56,319
dealing with now is i i've acquired an

1305
00:54:01,510 --> 00:53:59,599
autoimmune illness because of the ptsd

1306
00:54:03,349 --> 00:54:01,520
and the stress and

1307
00:54:05,349 --> 00:54:03,359
that kind of thing that's going on and

1308
00:54:07,510 --> 00:54:05,359
that's where i'm at right now is i don't

1309
00:54:09,670 --> 00:54:07,520
think i'm good i have finally come out

1310
00:54:12,470 --> 00:54:09,680
of the last flare that's why i was in

1311
00:54:15,430 --> 00:54:12,480
the cave for several months after the

1312
00:54:16,390 --> 00:54:15,440
internet fiasco of targeting me and you

1313
00:54:19,030 --> 00:54:16,400
know

1314
00:54:21,030 --> 00:54:19,040
and it was precisely this kind of stuff

1315
00:54:23,190 --> 00:54:21,040
there's people out there running around

1316
00:54:25,589 --> 00:54:23,200
saying that i run an all woman's coven

1317
00:54:27,510 --> 00:54:25,599
here and um

1318
00:54:29,750 --> 00:54:27,520
it's just it's maddening i just kind of

1319
00:54:31,589 --> 00:54:29,760
go oh my gosh wait a minute here you

1320
00:54:33,670 --> 00:54:31,599
don't have a clue what i'm about here

1321
00:54:35,990 --> 00:54:33,680
and you're running around trashing this

1322
00:54:37,670 --> 00:54:36,000
and that and

1323
00:54:39,670 --> 00:54:37,680
but

1324
00:54:41,270 --> 00:54:39,680
i i guess if

1325
00:54:44,789 --> 00:54:41,280
i'm kind of getting on a tangent that's

1326
00:54:48,870 --> 00:54:46,390
i think you should i think you should

1327
00:54:50,230 --> 00:54:48,880
explain that and how did that affect you

1328
00:54:52,470 --> 00:54:50,240
these people just

1329
00:54:54,630 --> 00:54:52,480
just running around running their mouths

1330
00:54:55,990 --> 00:54:54,640
because there seems to be a lot of that

1331
00:54:57,910 --> 00:54:56,000
you know i'm perfectly fine with

1332
00:55:00,390 --> 00:54:57,920
somebody saying

1333
00:55:03,109 --> 00:55:00,400
uh this person is doing this and here's

1334
00:55:05,030 --> 00:55:03,119
the evidence for it but it doesn't seem

1335
00:55:07,349 --> 00:55:05,040
like we get that what we usually get is

1336
00:55:09,910 --> 00:55:07,359
a lot of accusations and aspersions and

1337
00:55:13,589 --> 00:55:09,920
no factual evidence or anything like

1338
00:55:15,109 --> 00:55:13,599
that we i see it all the time now

1339
00:55:17,589 --> 00:55:15,119
you know i'm everything from a state

1340
00:55:20,069 --> 00:55:17,599
worshiper to a to a cia

1341
00:55:22,230 --> 00:55:20,079
paid disinformation agent according to

1342
00:55:23,829 --> 00:55:22,240
some people and i just kind of sit back

1343
00:55:25,750 --> 00:55:23,839
and laugh at that i just think it's

1344
00:55:27,510 --> 00:55:25,760
funny like i said your story has no

1345
00:55:30,789 --> 00:55:27,520
merit because you have never presented

1346
00:55:33,349 --> 00:55:30,799
any evidence so i'm a cia disinformation

1347
00:55:36,309 --> 00:55:33,359
agent i mean it's kind of stupid

1348
00:55:38,630 --> 00:55:36,319
it's childish yeah

1349
00:55:40,870 --> 00:55:38,640
yeah that's kind of i i really don't i

1350
00:55:42,549 --> 00:55:40,880
can't even i've given up on trying to

1351
00:55:45,030 --> 00:55:42,559
explain that that's one thing i've told

1352
00:55:47,670 --> 00:55:45,040
my clients over and over again

1353
00:55:50,309 --> 00:55:47,680
is that you cannot interject reason in

1354
00:55:51,589 --> 00:55:50,319
an unreasonable equation you'll go crazy

1355
00:55:52,950 --> 00:55:51,599
doing

1356
00:55:56,390 --> 00:55:52,960
you know

1357
00:55:58,870 --> 00:55:56,400
you ju it is impossible to get in when

1358
00:56:01,990 --> 00:55:58,880
it's totally unreasonable being thrown

1359
00:56:04,150 --> 00:56:02,000
at you trying to twist it the way that

1360
00:56:07,109 --> 00:56:04,160
this these thought

1361
00:56:09,349 --> 00:56:07,119
these critical thinking errors and lack

1362
00:56:12,069 --> 00:56:09,359
of critical thinking

1363
00:56:14,710 --> 00:56:12,079
is going on and then what is ironic is

1364
00:56:16,549 --> 00:56:14,720
they banter that back saying you've got

1365
00:56:21,430 --> 00:56:16,559
to think critically but then they shut

1366
00:56:24,630 --> 00:56:22,549
yeah

1367
00:56:27,030 --> 00:56:24,640
or the other big thing that is a pet

1368
00:56:29,349 --> 00:56:27,040
peeve of mine is that these people will

1369
00:56:30,549 --> 00:56:29,359
block you on social media so you know

1370
00:56:33,030 --> 00:56:30,559
you're not a

1371
00:56:35,510 --> 00:56:33,040
you asked a question that i didn't like

1372
00:56:37,349 --> 00:56:35,520
so now i'm block like i i don't know i

1373
00:56:39,829 --> 00:56:37,359
have a policy i don't block anybody

1374
00:56:42,069 --> 00:56:39,839
unless i haven't had to yet if somebody

1375
00:56:44,549 --> 00:56:42,079
gets extremely like personally abusive

1376
00:56:46,390 --> 00:56:44,559
or just name-calling and and really

1377
00:56:47,829 --> 00:56:46,400
annoying then i would do that but i

1378
00:56:49,349 --> 00:56:47,839
haven't done it yet

1379
00:56:51,510 --> 00:56:49,359
anybody that has any problem with

1380
00:56:53,829 --> 00:56:51,520
anything on my show you can come and ask

1381
00:56:56,069 --> 00:56:53,839
me questions you can you know tell me

1382
00:56:58,390 --> 00:56:56,079
i'm wrong but please tell me why

1383
00:56:59,829 --> 00:56:58,400
about a certain case or subject i'm

1384
00:57:00,630 --> 00:56:59,839
really big on that and it just seems to

1385
00:57:01,910 --> 00:57:00,640
be

1386
00:57:03,670 --> 00:57:01,920
you know

1387
00:57:05,750 --> 00:57:03,680
i mean there's perfect examples of

1388
00:57:07,670 --> 00:57:05,760
people who say they battle you know

1389
00:57:09,910 --> 00:57:07,680
space aliens but they can't handle

1390
00:57:13,670 --> 00:57:09,920
twitter comments somehow which is kind

1391
00:57:18,710 --> 00:57:14,710
yeah

1392
00:57:21,910 --> 00:57:18,720
what i'm seeing a lot of you know the

1393
00:57:23,510 --> 00:57:21,920
um the loam in that garden there that

1394
00:57:26,630 --> 00:57:23,520
we're seeing

1395
00:57:29,030 --> 00:57:26,640
what has happened is we have

1396
00:57:31,589 --> 00:57:29,040
a whole generation

1397
00:57:34,470 --> 00:57:31,599
and maybe even two generations at this

1398
00:57:35,829 --> 00:57:34,480
point that have been so socially

1399
00:57:39,349 --> 00:57:35,839
conditioned

1400
00:57:42,789 --> 00:57:39,359
down the fantasy with the gaming

1401
00:57:44,789 --> 00:57:42,799
and the the high intensity

1402
00:57:45,990 --> 00:57:44,799
intrusion that we're having on our

1403
00:57:48,630 --> 00:57:46,000
psyches

1404
00:57:51,510 --> 00:57:48,640
through these devices

1405
00:57:54,390 --> 00:57:51,520
you know that's just one factor in in

1406
00:57:55,670 --> 00:57:54,400
what has set this up here

1407
00:57:57,750 --> 00:57:55,680
and

1408
00:57:59,190 --> 00:57:57,760
you know this whole role playing i'm

1409
00:58:03,030 --> 00:57:59,200
looking at

1410
00:58:05,670 --> 00:58:03,040
people that have never experienced life

1411
00:58:10,069 --> 00:58:05,680
actually doing a virtual

1412
00:58:14,390 --> 00:58:12,470
if that even makes any sense it you know

1413
00:58:16,950 --> 00:58:14,400
it's like they've all got these roles

1414
00:58:18,789 --> 00:58:16,960
they jump into these characters they're

1415
00:58:20,630 --> 00:58:18,799
doing the role playing and here i'm an

1416
00:58:23,829 --> 00:58:20,640
old one from way back in

1417
00:58:25,430 --> 00:58:23,839
d and d days you know

1418
00:58:28,950 --> 00:58:25,440
so i

1419
00:58:30,870 --> 00:58:28,960
that you know and renaissance fairs and

1420
00:58:33,910 --> 00:58:30,880
and that kind of thing but now i'm

1421
00:58:35,190 --> 00:58:33,920
seeing it play out on the devices

1422
00:58:38,549 --> 00:58:35,200
and

1423
00:58:40,789 --> 00:58:38,559
um you know these younger minds that

1424
00:58:43,670 --> 00:58:40,799
have not developed and they have been

1425
00:58:46,150 --> 00:58:43,680
guided down this

1426
00:58:48,710 --> 00:58:46,160
road of

1427
00:58:50,870 --> 00:58:48,720
misuse of imagination

1428
00:58:53,190 --> 00:58:50,880
it's fine to have your fantasies it's

1429
00:58:55,109 --> 00:58:53,200
fine to have your imagination and your

1430
00:58:56,069 --> 00:58:55,119
creativity

1431
00:59:00,150 --> 00:58:56,079
but

1432
00:59:03,109 --> 00:59:00,160
you need to somehow differentiate that

1433
00:59:04,950 --> 00:59:03,119
from you know what is actually

1434
00:59:06,630 --> 00:59:04,960
fueling that i guess

1435
00:59:08,870 --> 00:59:06,640
yeah i've often thought that it's like

1436
00:59:11,190 --> 00:59:08,880
the younger generations including my own

1437
00:59:12,710 --> 00:59:11,200
it's kind of like a lot of escapism you

1438
00:59:15,109 --> 00:59:12,720
know i have a friend and

1439
00:59:17,190 --> 00:59:15,119
he doesn't really accomplish much but

1440
00:59:18,870 --> 00:59:17,200
he'll tell me about all the things he

1441
00:59:20,710 --> 00:59:18,880
accomplished in the online game he's

1442
00:59:23,349 --> 00:59:20,720
playing that day

1443
00:59:25,589 --> 00:59:23,359
and it just seems to me it seems sad

1444
00:59:27,910 --> 00:59:25,599
like that's all you that's all you do

1445
00:59:29,190 --> 00:59:27,920
every day you go into this fake online

1446
00:59:30,789 --> 00:59:29,200
world and

1447
00:59:33,109 --> 00:59:30,799
you know go through these

1448
00:59:35,270 --> 00:59:33,119
pre-scripted sort of adventures and okay

1449
00:59:36,950 --> 00:59:35,280
you saved the princess and like

1450
00:59:39,430 --> 00:59:36,960
some of our mutual friends were like is

1451
00:59:40,390 --> 00:59:39,440
he talking about a game again like

1452
00:59:42,150 --> 00:59:40,400
there's no

1453
00:59:43,510 --> 00:59:42,160
he doesn't do anything in the real world

1454
00:59:45,510 --> 00:59:43,520
so he's he's

1455
00:59:47,750 --> 00:59:45,520
sort of traded any real world

1456
00:59:50,470 --> 00:59:47,760
accomplishments that he could do

1457
00:59:52,309 --> 00:59:50,480
for just you know i got this many gold

1458
00:59:53,910 --> 00:59:52,319
pieces in this game and i i don't

1459
00:59:56,470 --> 00:59:53,920
understand that myself

1460
00:59:58,710 --> 00:59:56,480
i try to measure these things and treat

1461
01:00:01,030 --> 00:59:58,720
them as a form of entertainment and

1462
01:00:03,030 --> 01:00:01,040
sparingly i think like the

1463
01:00:05,030 --> 01:00:03,040
you know everything in moderation can't

1464
01:00:06,309 --> 01:00:05,040
be harmful but if all you do is sit in

1465
01:00:09,109 --> 01:00:06,319
front of a computer screen and play a

1466
01:00:12,309 --> 01:00:09,119
game for 12 hours a day that's a problem

1467
01:00:17,589 --> 01:00:14,950
yeah and what i'm seeing popping out

1468
01:00:19,109 --> 01:00:17,599
there right now with these pockets of

1469
01:00:20,390 --> 01:00:19,119
the the

1470
01:00:22,150 --> 01:00:20,400
individual

1471
01:00:23,750 --> 01:00:22,160
online cult

1472
01:00:26,230 --> 01:00:23,760
um

1473
01:00:28,470 --> 01:00:26,240
uh players out there

1474
01:00:32,309 --> 01:00:28,480
i try to get people to look back and and

1475
01:00:34,789 --> 01:00:32,319
look at this overlaying umbrella type

1476
01:00:38,230 --> 01:00:34,799
alt cult is what i keep talking about on

1477
01:00:42,309 --> 01:00:38,240
this i see that as as a huge

1478
01:00:45,270 --> 01:00:42,319
virtual gaming thing that is is taking

1479
01:00:48,230 --> 01:00:45,280
off is these pockets and then the

1480
01:00:50,150 --> 01:00:48,240
charismatic um leader

1481
01:00:52,069 --> 01:00:50,160
that has all of their followers and

1482
01:00:54,150 --> 01:00:52,079
they're all pitching against one another

1483
01:00:55,990 --> 01:00:54,160
and everything else but then once again

1484
01:00:57,109 --> 01:00:56,000
there's that smoke screen that's the

1485
01:01:01,430 --> 01:00:57,119
illusion

1486
01:01:03,829 --> 01:01:01,440
because what needs to really be

1487
01:01:07,349 --> 01:01:03,839
you know threaded out of this

1488
01:01:09,910 --> 01:01:07,359
is the the drive that's behind that

1489
01:01:12,309 --> 01:01:09,920
because there is a common denominator

1490
01:01:14,950 --> 01:01:12,319
fueling all of these that appear to be

1491
01:01:17,030 --> 01:01:14,960
battling one another and the ones that

1492
01:01:18,710 --> 01:01:17,040
are in the groups even the leaders of

1493
01:01:20,789 --> 01:01:18,720
the group i don't think many of them

1494
01:01:22,829 --> 01:01:20,799
even know that they're be that they're

1495
01:01:25,829 --> 01:01:22,839
caught up in that

1496
01:01:28,710 --> 01:01:25,839
cycle they're so used to looking at the

1497
01:01:31,270 --> 01:01:28,720
numbers and and the um

1498
01:01:33,510 --> 01:01:31,280
dopamine hit that they get from

1499
01:01:35,910 --> 01:01:33,520
watching their numbers rise and getting

1500
01:01:38,150 --> 01:01:35,920
people excited and and watching the

1501
01:01:39,190 --> 01:01:38,160
reactions because they're wielding this

1502
01:01:40,309 --> 01:01:39,200
magic

1503
01:01:43,109 --> 01:01:40,319
of

1504
01:01:47,349 --> 01:01:43,119
you know being the leader and

1505
01:01:50,150 --> 01:01:47,359
uh yeah we've we've got a huge mishmash

1506
01:01:51,670 --> 01:01:50,160
going on there and that is one of the

1507
01:01:55,190 --> 01:01:51,680
things that

1508
01:01:58,549 --> 01:01:55,200
this one particular group that has been

1509
01:02:00,710 --> 01:01:58,559
smearing me online for some time now

1510
01:02:03,589 --> 01:02:00,720
threw at me at the very beginning is

1511
01:02:07,109 --> 01:02:03,599
that i was running a cult when in fact

1512
01:02:10,549 --> 01:02:07,119
this group has got such insidious

1513
01:02:11,589 --> 01:02:10,559
cult-like behaviors in it you know

1514
01:02:13,750 --> 01:02:11,599
um

1515
01:02:15,349 --> 01:02:13,760
it's it's just it's just amazing to

1516
01:02:17,750 --> 01:02:15,359
watch this and then you get into the

1517
01:02:21,270 --> 01:02:17,760
psychology part of it and

1518
01:02:23,990 --> 01:02:21,280
i i've got a strong um

1519
01:02:30,549 --> 01:02:27,990
area that i use of the the union and the

1520
01:02:32,309 --> 01:02:30,559
maslow you know the individuation and

1521
01:02:34,630 --> 01:02:32,319
the shadow work and the

1522
01:02:35,670 --> 01:02:34,640
self-actualization

1523
01:02:40,230 --> 01:02:35,680
um

1524
01:02:45,589 --> 01:02:40,240
our

1525
01:02:48,789 --> 01:02:45,599
reactions how we perceive things how we

1526
01:02:52,549 --> 01:02:48,799
do our own stuff which this thing that

1527
01:02:54,870 --> 01:02:52,559
got woven into the new age and it really

1528
01:02:57,430 --> 01:02:54,880
started taking off again with when the

1529
01:02:59,829 --> 01:02:57,440
law of one made it circle back around

1530
01:03:02,549 --> 01:02:59,839
again yeah um i know exactly who you're

1531
01:03:04,150 --> 01:03:02,559
talking about i believe so

1532
01:03:04,870 --> 01:03:04,160
yeah yeah

1533
01:03:08,230 --> 01:03:04,880
yeah

1534
01:03:09,349 --> 01:03:08,240
and these guys exhibit every every ounce

1535
01:03:10,870 --> 01:03:09,359
of

1536
01:03:12,630 --> 01:03:10,880
everything i've ever read about a cult

1537
01:03:14,630 --> 01:03:12,640
these guys exhibit it you know

1538
01:03:16,630 --> 01:03:14,640
charismatic leader

1539
01:03:18,789 --> 01:03:16,640
omniscient he's never wrong you're not

1540
01:03:22,309 --> 01:03:18,799
allowed to question or judge the leader

1541
01:03:24,470 --> 01:03:22,319
and uh let's see what else uh is

1542
01:03:26,069 --> 01:03:24,480
financially and sexually exploiting some

1543
01:03:28,069 --> 01:03:26,079
of his some or

1544
01:03:31,270 --> 01:03:28,079
all of his followers

1545
01:03:33,349 --> 01:03:31,280
uh you know there's just you go down the

1546
01:03:35,349 --> 01:03:33,359
list and you go oh my god it's like

1547
01:03:36,549 --> 01:03:35,359
every point they hit they hit every

1548
01:03:39,349 --> 01:03:36,559
point

1549
01:03:41,670 --> 01:03:39,359
you know yeah

1550
01:03:44,870 --> 01:03:41,680
the inability the inability to accept

1551
01:03:47,029 --> 01:03:44,880
any criticism whatsoever and they all

1552
01:03:49,270 --> 01:03:47,039
have this they're out to get us thing

1553
01:03:53,670 --> 01:03:49,280
that's another narrative they all use so

1554
01:03:56,789 --> 01:03:55,829
[Music]

1555
01:03:59,270 --> 01:03:56,799
yeah

1556
01:04:03,430 --> 01:03:59,280
but you know the the one that that

1557
01:04:04,549 --> 01:04:03,440
targeted me directly is one that claims

1558
01:04:07,029 --> 01:04:04,559
to be

1559
01:04:10,470 --> 01:04:07,039
the ones that took down the other one

1560
01:04:12,549 --> 01:04:10,480
that you're talking about too

1561
01:04:14,870 --> 01:04:12,559
they're pit they were pitted against one

1562
01:04:16,390 --> 01:04:14,880
another and and that's what i'm watching

1563
01:04:18,470 --> 01:04:16,400
is this

1564
01:04:21,190 --> 01:04:18,480
these different ones that are doing the

1565
01:04:23,670 --> 01:04:21,200
exact same thing but then lobbying at

1566
01:04:25,510 --> 01:04:23,680
one another and the people the followers

1567
01:04:27,990 --> 01:04:25,520
that are caught in the middle of all of

1568
01:04:30,549 --> 01:04:28,000
this they get disillusioned because they

1569
01:04:32,870 --> 01:04:30,559
see the crumbling of one of them and if

1570
01:04:35,589 --> 01:04:32,880
they don't deal with what's within them

1571
01:04:37,910 --> 01:04:35,599
that makes them vulnerable to to falling

1572
01:04:41,750 --> 01:04:37,920
into this they're just going to go guru

1573
01:04:43,430 --> 01:04:41,760
seeking and find another group

1574
01:04:46,150 --> 01:04:43,440
that's a dangerous place

1575
01:04:48,789 --> 01:04:46,160
dangerous place to be is needing that

1576
01:04:51,990 --> 01:04:48,799
external guru you know i i've always

1577
01:04:55,190 --> 01:04:52,000
really been big on like be your own guru

1578
01:04:57,910 --> 01:04:55,200
and you know that's what i try to do and

1579
01:04:59,750 --> 01:04:57,920
i'm also i i really am honestly trying

1580
01:05:01,270 --> 01:04:59,760
to stay out of it but i can't sometimes

1581
01:05:03,510 --> 01:05:01,280
sometimes i comment too much and

1582
01:05:05,910 --> 01:05:03,520
sometimes i'm following this and

1583
01:05:07,270 --> 01:05:05,920
this fiasco that's going on and i'm

1584
01:05:08,470 --> 01:05:07,280
going

1585
01:05:09,990 --> 01:05:08,480
you know

1586
01:05:11,430 --> 01:05:10,000
should i really have a place in this or

1587
01:05:14,309 --> 01:05:11,440
should i be concentrating on my own

1588
01:05:16,549 --> 01:05:14,319
development be concentrating on my own

1589
01:05:17,910 --> 01:05:16,559
search for whatever i'm looking for and

1590
01:05:20,630 --> 01:05:17,920
not

1591
01:05:23,589 --> 01:05:20,640
you know it's it's like my last show we

1592
01:05:26,549 --> 01:05:23,599
talked about all the ufo frauds

1593
01:05:28,630 --> 01:05:26,559
and fakes and and uh in the second half

1594
01:05:29,910 --> 01:05:28,640
and like you know i get angry i get so

1595
01:05:31,190 --> 01:05:29,920
angry because i feel like these people

1596
01:05:32,549 --> 01:05:31,200
are taking advantage of people and

1597
01:05:34,230 --> 01:05:32,559
somebody's got to stand up and say this

1598
01:05:37,109 --> 01:05:34,240
is wrong and here's why

1599
01:05:40,630 --> 01:05:37,119
so maybe i have a place in it but i i

1600
01:05:42,150 --> 01:05:40,640
try to not focus so much on that

1601
01:05:43,910 --> 01:05:42,160
or lately that's what i'm trying yeah

1602
01:05:45,190 --> 01:05:43,920
it's not working out so well for me

1603
01:05:47,109 --> 01:05:45,200
sometimes because then something else

1604
01:05:50,150 --> 01:05:47,119
will happen and i feel like i gotta

1605
01:05:52,390 --> 01:05:50,160
address it

1606
01:05:54,309 --> 01:05:52,400
yeah the the the few times here just

1607
01:05:55,750 --> 01:05:54,319
over the last few weeks that you and i

1608
01:05:59,109 --> 01:05:55,760
have kind of ended up in the same

1609
01:06:01,589 --> 01:05:59,119
conversations i think i thanks for that

1610
01:06:02,950 --> 01:06:01,599
from you we're both going okay i'm gonna

1611
01:06:05,589 --> 01:06:02,960
say my piece and i'm getting the hell

1612
01:06:07,270 --> 01:06:05,599
out i'm doing a hit and run

1613
01:06:09,349 --> 01:06:07,280
yeah that's what you got to do

1614
01:06:11,430 --> 01:06:09,359
you know what i see

1615
01:06:13,910 --> 01:06:11,440
it sucked in my goodness you know

1616
01:06:16,309 --> 01:06:13,920
they'll shred you up you absolutely do

1617
01:06:18,870 --> 01:06:16,319
and i want to i just want to say uh

1618
01:06:21,270 --> 01:06:18,880
i i see we're coming up on an hour here

1619
01:06:23,190 --> 01:06:21,280
so i want to uh i want to pause right

1620
01:06:27,240 --> 01:06:23,200
here so that we could take a break and

1621
01:06:32,789 --> 01:06:30,789
[Music]

1622
01:06:34,789 --> 01:06:32,799
okay welcome back to the midnight hour

1623
01:06:36,230 --> 01:06:34,799
show thank you for joining me

1624
01:06:38,710 --> 01:06:36,240
we're here

1625
01:06:41,670 --> 01:06:38,720
tonight with my very special guest

1626
01:06:44,630 --> 01:06:41,680
marilee neody

1627
01:06:46,950 --> 01:06:44,640
merrily i had some other questions

1628
01:06:50,390 --> 01:06:46,960
mostly related to

1629
01:06:52,230 --> 01:06:50,400
your mystic mountain project and magic

1630
01:06:54,549 --> 01:06:52,240
can you tell my listeners a little more

1631
01:06:56,390 --> 01:06:54,559
about all that you do there because i

1632
01:07:01,270 --> 01:06:56,400
looked at your website and you have some

1633
01:07:06,950 --> 01:07:03,990
oh well thank you thank you um what is

1634
01:07:09,750 --> 01:07:06,960
on the website that that is kind of a um

1635
01:07:12,630 --> 01:07:09,760
that is the template that i'm dropping

1636
01:07:14,390 --> 01:07:12,640
uh materials that i've accumulated for a

1637
01:07:16,950 --> 01:07:14,400
number of decades all the way through

1638
01:07:18,069 --> 01:07:16,960
this whole

1639
01:07:21,349 --> 01:07:18,079
journey

1640
01:07:23,670 --> 01:07:21,359
through this and the role the new role

1641
01:07:25,190 --> 01:07:23,680
that i have here and what mystic

1642
01:07:28,789 --> 01:07:25,200
mountain is

1643
01:07:31,750 --> 01:07:28,799
is not necessarily exposing we do talk a

1644
01:07:33,270 --> 01:07:31,760
lot about the exposing of the illusion

1645
01:07:35,029 --> 01:07:33,280
that's around us we call it the

1646
01:07:35,910 --> 01:07:35,039
simulation

1647
01:07:41,190 --> 01:07:35,920
and

1648
01:07:44,789 --> 01:07:41,200
my stories of

1649
01:07:46,870 --> 01:07:44,799
my magical working with the anti-virus

1650
01:07:50,150 --> 01:07:46,880
when i was living at the base of mount

1651
01:07:54,789 --> 01:07:50,160
shasta a couple of years ago

1652
01:07:59,510 --> 01:07:56,870
way that we present that

1653
01:08:02,390 --> 01:07:59,520
now the website itself uh what we're

1654
01:08:04,230 --> 01:08:02,400
doing now is we're backing away from the

1655
01:08:06,630 --> 01:08:04,240
pointing the fingers and trying to talk

1656
01:08:09,349 --> 01:08:06,640
so much about how

1657
01:08:10,789 --> 01:08:09,359
the exposing of all of this is going on

1658
01:08:13,589 --> 01:08:10,799
which is kind of hard to do with

1659
01:08:17,269 --> 01:08:13,599
everything that has happened here but

1660
01:08:20,229 --> 01:08:17,279
the main thrust of it is we've got the

1661
01:08:23,510 --> 01:08:20,239
uh the market side of it where we have

1662
01:08:26,709 --> 01:08:23,520
several markets the main online store

1663
01:08:28,470 --> 01:08:26,719
we've got over 9000 items on there

1664
01:08:30,870 --> 01:08:28,480
we really

1665
01:08:32,070 --> 01:08:30,880
promote fair trade

1666
01:08:34,470 --> 01:08:32,080
organic

1667
01:08:36,870 --> 01:08:34,480
that kind of thing we've got some

1668
01:08:38,870 --> 01:08:36,880
handcrafted things that when i get the

1669
01:08:42,550 --> 01:08:38,880
studio up and running here there will be

1670
01:08:45,829 --> 01:08:42,560
more things going through that way

1671
01:08:48,630 --> 01:08:45,839
and i have the online auction site which

1672
01:08:50,709 --> 01:08:48,640
is an ebay auction store that i will be

1673
01:08:52,709 --> 01:08:50,719
accepting people's

1674
01:08:55,910 --> 01:08:52,719
um

1675
01:08:58,550 --> 01:08:55,920
if people want to promote their

1676
01:09:01,829 --> 01:08:58,560
items through there

1677
01:09:04,550 --> 01:09:01,839
and let's see

1678
01:09:09,110 --> 01:09:04,560
in the future we'll have a buyer's club

1679
01:09:11,590 --> 01:09:09,120
where it's a cooperative and people can

1680
01:09:14,229 --> 01:09:13,110
purchase

1681
01:09:16,390 --> 01:09:14,239
at

1682
01:09:18,229 --> 01:09:16,400
just a little above wholesale and then

1683
01:09:21,269 --> 01:09:18,239
be able to turn it back around and

1684
01:09:23,110 --> 01:09:21,279
utilize the group as you know for the

1685
01:09:24,789 --> 01:09:23,120
marketing that kind of thing but that's

1686
01:09:26,470 --> 01:09:24,799
further down the road we've got to save

1687
01:09:28,950 --> 01:09:26,480
our butts here first so let me go ahead

1688
01:09:30,550 --> 01:09:28,960
and move on to the next one

1689
01:09:33,590 --> 01:09:30,560
um the next

1690
01:09:35,749 --> 01:09:33,600
yeah the next part of that is we have a

1691
01:09:37,430 --> 01:09:35,759
community kind of thing that has taken a

1692
01:09:40,149 --> 01:09:37,440
lot of different

1693
01:09:43,189 --> 01:09:40,159
um a different take now because we're

1694
01:09:45,110 --> 01:09:43,199
not so much i'm not working as much

1695
01:09:48,070 --> 01:09:45,120
one-on-one with people

1696
01:09:50,550 --> 01:09:48,080
i still do offer

1697
01:09:53,189 --> 01:09:50,560
you know consultation services that goes

1698
01:09:55,189 --> 01:09:53,199
along with the programs that i'm loading

1699
01:09:58,550 --> 01:09:55,199
out there

1700
01:10:01,350 --> 01:09:58,560
which one of those is

1701
01:10:03,669 --> 01:10:01,360
the wellness life path

1702
01:10:05,990 --> 01:10:03,679
and the reason why i separated this from

1703
01:10:08,550 --> 01:10:06,000
the primal path working that i had going

1704
01:10:11,430 --> 01:10:08,560
on before is because so many people were

1705
01:10:14,709 --> 01:10:11,440
getting into the primal path working

1706
01:10:16,950 --> 01:10:14,719
prematurely and it's like giving fire to

1707
01:10:17,910 --> 01:10:16,960
a two-year-old i i know you with your

1708
01:10:20,390 --> 01:10:17,920
last

1709
01:10:22,550 --> 01:10:20,400
um show that you had put on there i

1710
01:10:24,550 --> 01:10:22,560
really identified with that because the

1711
01:10:26,950 --> 01:10:24,560
information was going out too fast and

1712
01:10:28,390 --> 01:10:26,960
they just weren't ready for it

1713
01:10:30,470 --> 01:10:28,400
yeah i noticed that you have a lot of

1714
01:10:33,270 --> 01:10:30,480
like self-help articles

1715
01:10:35,030 --> 01:10:33,280
and that involves spirituality and and

1716
01:10:36,790 --> 01:10:35,040
sort of like how to be happy how to be

1717
01:10:40,390 --> 01:10:36,800
financially happy or playing for your

1718
01:10:42,229 --> 01:10:40,400
financial future and i i just think

1719
01:10:43,990 --> 01:10:42,239
you know i can tell that you're still

1720
01:10:45,830 --> 01:10:44,000
working on it but it looks like it's

1721
01:10:48,390 --> 01:10:45,840
going to be an incredible resource of

1722
01:10:50,790 --> 01:10:48,400
information to share and thank you for

1723
01:10:53,030 --> 01:10:50,800
doing that

1724
01:10:55,189 --> 01:10:53,040
yeah yeah and thank you for mentioning

1725
01:10:56,709 --> 01:10:55,199
that can we give people let's give

1726
01:10:59,270 --> 01:10:56,719
people the website address before i

1727
01:11:04,470 --> 01:10:59,280
forget could you do that

1728
01:11:08,630 --> 01:11:06,790
and mystic mountain is spelled

1729
01:11:09,350 --> 01:11:08,640
m y s

1730
01:11:10,149 --> 01:11:09,360
t

1731
01:11:11,430 --> 01:11:10,159
i

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01:11:15,510 --> 01:11:11,440
k

1733
01:11:17,590 --> 01:11:15,520
m o u n t i a n

1734
01:11:20,550 --> 01:11:17,600
okay excellent so my listeners can find

1735
01:11:26,149 --> 01:11:23,510
yeah yeah and and the the soul tribe

1736
01:11:28,550 --> 01:11:26,159
sanctuary website was getting very big

1737
01:11:30,950 --> 01:11:28,560
as well and it's still out there but

1738
01:11:33,590 --> 01:11:30,960
i've got it redirected over

1739
01:11:35,669 --> 01:11:33,600
so if anybody you know falls on some of

1740
01:11:37,590 --> 01:11:35,679
our old articles that are out there and

1741
01:11:38,830 --> 01:11:37,600
they hit that website it'll come over to

1742
01:11:40,790 --> 01:11:38,840
mystic mountain

1743
01:11:44,709 --> 01:11:40,800
so

1744
01:11:46,709 --> 01:11:44,719
just opened up the

1745
01:11:49,350 --> 01:11:46,719
uh

1746
01:11:50,790 --> 01:11:49,360
the booking page that has all of the

1747
01:11:53,669 --> 01:11:50,800
tarot

1748
01:11:55,189 --> 01:11:53,679
guided imagery a lot of these things are

1749
01:11:58,229 --> 01:11:55,199
kind of a

1750
01:12:02,630 --> 01:11:58,239
combination of my spiritual path and my

1751
01:12:05,270 --> 01:12:02,640
professional path i'm not acting as a

1752
01:12:07,830 --> 01:12:05,280
professional counselor any longer i was

1753
01:12:09,910 --> 01:12:07,840
pursuing my license up here again but at

1754
01:12:12,550 --> 01:12:09,920
the stage where i'm at right now i don't

1755
01:12:14,229 --> 01:12:12,560
think that's where i'm going to go

1756
01:12:17,750 --> 01:12:14,239
i have worked as a professional

1757
01:12:19,910 --> 01:12:17,760
counselor for 30 years so

1758
01:12:22,470 --> 01:12:19,920
it's time to put that one out to pasture

1759
01:12:25,189 --> 01:12:22,480
but i have drawn on a lot of those skill

1760
01:12:27,350 --> 01:12:25,199
sets and have incorporated that in there

1761
01:12:29,750 --> 01:12:27,360
into a more self-help

1762
01:12:31,990 --> 01:12:29,760
not your pop psych that runs people down

1763
01:12:34,229 --> 01:12:32,000
the roads of the dangerous shadow work

1764
01:12:36,630 --> 01:12:34,239
that's out there and inner work that

1765
01:12:37,510 --> 01:12:36,640
people are touting

1766
01:12:40,149 --> 01:12:37,520
that

1767
01:12:42,070 --> 01:12:40,159
tends to just keep people caught up in

1768
01:12:44,790 --> 01:12:42,080
that loop so

1769
01:12:47,750 --> 01:12:44,800
what we try to offer on that is

1770
01:12:50,550 --> 01:12:47,760
ways to be able to apply these things on

1771
01:12:52,790 --> 01:12:50,560
a practical level and the wellness hits

1772
01:12:55,750 --> 01:12:52,800
eight dimensions of wellness

1773
01:12:57,060 --> 01:12:55,760
which is actually from addictionology

1774
01:12:58,390 --> 01:12:57,070
it's from uh

1775
01:12:59,669 --> 01:12:58,400
[Music]

1776
01:13:02,550 --> 01:12:59,679
the national

1777
01:13:06,229 --> 01:13:02,560
association on addictions is where it it

1778
01:13:08,709 --> 01:13:06,239
came from and it goes into the eight

1779
01:13:10,470 --> 01:13:08,719
dimensions of wellness and that's kind

1780
01:13:13,910 --> 01:13:10,480
of what you were talking about we have

1781
01:13:16,790 --> 01:13:13,920
we look at finances we look at

1782
01:13:18,709 --> 01:13:16,800
spiritual well-being family all sorts of

1783
01:13:21,189 --> 01:13:18,719
areas people can go on and kind of look

1784
01:13:23,350 --> 01:13:21,199
at that but what we do is try to break

1785
01:13:25,669 --> 01:13:23,360
that down depending on where the

1786
01:13:27,990 --> 01:13:25,679
individual person is

1787
01:13:29,350 --> 01:13:28,000
and um

1788
01:13:33,750 --> 01:13:29,360
come up with

1789
01:13:36,070 --> 01:13:33,760
a path past plans on how they can

1790
01:13:38,470 --> 01:13:36,080
get their goals back in line and get

1791
01:13:40,470 --> 01:13:38,480
moving on that more practical level with

1792
01:13:42,229 --> 01:13:40,480
it

1793
01:13:45,189 --> 01:13:42,239
and then there's that whole section on

1794
01:13:47,590 --> 01:13:45,199
the front page that breaks it down into

1795
01:13:49,430 --> 01:13:47,600
the different sections that

1796
01:13:51,590 --> 01:13:49,440
oh we've got stuff that's going to be

1797
01:13:53,350 --> 01:13:51,600
coming out that's on micro farming

1798
01:13:56,310 --> 01:13:53,360
permaculture

1799
01:13:57,110 --> 01:13:56,320
gardening we're big on you know working

1800
01:13:59,510 --> 01:13:57,120
with

1801
01:14:02,470 --> 01:13:59,520
nature as much as you can no matter how

1802
01:14:04,950 --> 01:14:02,480
urban or rural you are yeah i know i saw

1803
01:14:07,669 --> 01:14:04,960
that and i'm i'm anxiously awaiting that

1804
01:14:09,189 --> 01:14:07,679
getting loaded up because i someday i'm

1805
01:14:11,030 --> 01:14:09,199
going to have a really huge garden at

1806
01:14:13,110 --> 01:14:11,040
that cabin but the problem at the cabin

1807
01:14:16,070 --> 01:14:13,120
is that it's in the mountains and it's

1808
01:14:19,189 --> 01:14:16,080
all rocks i tried and there's no dirt to

1809
01:14:21,350 --> 01:14:19,199
plant in and i tried even you know like

1810
01:14:23,510 --> 01:14:21,360
i called it crowbar

1811
01:14:25,990 --> 01:14:23,520
gardening last year when i tried because

1812
01:14:27,830 --> 01:14:26,000
you literally need a crowbar to get all

1813
01:14:30,550 --> 01:14:27,840
the rocks out and then you get like one

1814
01:14:31,510 --> 01:14:30,560
inch of soil before you hit like a big

1815
01:14:34,550 --> 01:14:31,520
you know

1816
01:14:36,709 --> 01:14:34,560
200 foot wide granite block or something

1817
01:14:38,950 --> 01:14:36,719
underneath that you know so i don't know

1818
01:14:41,270 --> 01:14:38,960
what i'm gonna do yet about that i think

1819
01:14:42,630 --> 01:14:41,280
i'm gonna have to bring in some dirt or

1820
01:14:45,830 --> 01:14:42,640
fill or

1821
01:14:48,870 --> 01:14:45,840
compost or something to create a garden

1822
01:14:51,750 --> 01:14:48,880
it's a challenging environment yeah well

1823
01:14:54,870 --> 01:14:51,760
has been going up vertical gardening you

1824
01:14:57,590 --> 01:14:54,880
know there's a lot of ways you know your

1825
01:14:59,189 --> 01:14:57,600
larger stuff like your trees and shrubs

1826
01:15:01,189 --> 01:14:59,199
may you may need to get a little bit

1827
01:15:03,350 --> 01:15:01,199
more creative but there are ways of

1828
01:15:05,750 --> 01:15:03,360
working around that so where i'm at

1829
01:15:07,830 --> 01:15:05,760
right now if wild crafting is huge i

1830
01:15:09,270 --> 01:15:07,840
don't even have to work from the garden

1831
01:15:12,229 --> 01:15:09,280
out there which is overgrown anyway

1832
01:15:14,550 --> 01:15:12,239
because i've my health took such a turn

1833
01:15:15,910 --> 01:15:14,560
this year but i'm sorry to hear that

1834
01:15:18,070 --> 01:15:15,920
right now

1835
01:15:19,910 --> 01:15:18,080
we're under the strawberry moon right

1836
01:15:21,910 --> 01:15:19,920
now the full moon is the strawberry moon

1837
01:15:24,630 --> 01:15:21,920
which indicates you know the

1838
01:15:26,630 --> 01:15:24,640
the berries and the the fruits and

1839
01:15:29,110 --> 01:15:26,640
everything and here in this little

1840
01:15:31,830 --> 01:15:29,120
valley that i'm in we're well we're

1841
01:15:34,630 --> 01:15:31,840
expecting snow at 6 500 again this

1842
01:15:39,189 --> 01:15:37,590
yeah so in the valley where i'm at we're

1843
01:15:41,189 --> 01:15:39,199
probably not going to get the snow but

1844
01:15:43,350 --> 01:15:41,199
the the mountains i'm totally surrounded

1845
01:15:45,990 --> 01:15:43,360
by mountains and it's in what is called

1846
01:15:47,590 --> 01:15:46,000
the banana belt of montana

1847
01:15:49,750 --> 01:15:47,600
which means

1848
01:15:52,870 --> 01:15:49,760
this little valley here is about 20

1849
01:15:54,870 --> 01:15:52,880
degrees on the average warmer than the

1850
01:15:56,229 --> 01:15:54,880
rest of montana

1851
01:15:59,189 --> 01:15:56,239
so

1852
01:16:00,310 --> 01:15:59,199
there's things that grow here that don't

1853
01:16:03,590 --> 01:16:00,320
grow

1854
01:16:05,350 --> 01:16:03,600
you know in most places you can go out

1855
01:16:06,790 --> 01:16:05,360
elderberries

1856
01:16:10,149 --> 01:16:06,800
huckleberries

1857
01:16:12,470 --> 01:16:10,159
wild raspberries strawberries plums

1858
01:16:14,070 --> 01:16:12,480
you name it you know and you just go out

1859
01:16:15,510 --> 01:16:14,080
into the hills and pick them you bring

1860
01:16:16,950 --> 01:16:15,520
them back and

1861
01:16:19,350 --> 01:16:16,960
preserve them and put them down in your

1862
01:16:21,669 --> 01:16:19,360
root cellar you know yeah my cabin we

1863
01:16:23,990 --> 01:16:21,679
have uh we have wild strawberries all

1864
01:16:25,270 --> 01:16:24,000
over the place but it takes so long to

1865
01:16:26,709 --> 01:16:25,280
get any

1866
01:16:29,110 --> 01:16:26,719
any good amount of them because they're

1867
01:16:30,790 --> 01:16:29,120
so small but i still try i still try

1868
01:16:32,390 --> 01:16:30,800
every year yeah let's go out with a

1869
01:16:34,550 --> 01:16:32,400
basket and see you know if we get a

1870
01:16:35,510 --> 01:16:34,560
basket load of these things

1871
01:16:36,950 --> 01:16:35,520
you know

1872
01:16:44,550 --> 01:16:36,960
yeah

1873
01:16:46,870 --> 01:16:44,560
and the apples and oh we've got all

1874
01:16:49,430 --> 01:16:46,880
sorts of stuff around here so

1875
01:16:51,750 --> 01:16:49,440
come harvest time and it's pretty

1876
01:16:53,990 --> 01:16:51,760
amazing and we've also we're also

1877
01:16:55,189 --> 01:16:54,000
surrounded by amish and mennonite

1878
01:16:57,750 --> 01:16:55,199
communities

1879
01:16:59,990 --> 01:16:57,760
so there's days that we have more horse

1880
01:17:04,149 --> 01:17:00,000
and buggy traffic than we do automobile

1881
01:17:05,910 --> 01:17:04,159
traffic around here that's interesting

1882
01:17:08,149 --> 01:17:05,920
and then you know they they have the

1883
01:17:10,950 --> 01:17:08,159
bakery in town so we get all of the

1884
01:17:12,950 --> 01:17:10,960
local um you know grains they they make

1885
01:17:15,590 --> 01:17:12,960
all of their own bread here it's it's

1886
01:17:17,990 --> 01:17:15,600
just it's an amazing place to be so and

1887
01:17:20,870 --> 01:17:18,000
i also saw are you gonna have like a

1888
01:17:22,790 --> 01:17:20,880
recording studio and an artist studio

1889
01:17:25,590 --> 01:17:22,800
space or something like that there at

1890
01:17:27,590 --> 01:17:25,600
your place if i can save my butt yep if

1891
01:17:30,709 --> 01:17:27,600
i can save my butt we started doing the

1892
01:17:33,350 --> 01:17:30,719
back porch into my

1893
01:17:35,910 --> 01:17:33,360
creation studio which

1894
01:17:37,750 --> 01:17:35,920
is going to house my weaving looms and

1895
01:17:38,709 --> 01:17:37,760
spinning wheels

1896
01:17:40,870 --> 01:17:38,719
and

1897
01:17:42,550 --> 01:17:40,880
my leather work will go in there my

1898
01:17:44,310 --> 01:17:42,560
sewing

1899
01:17:47,669 --> 01:17:44,320
all of that kind of stuff that's kind of

1900
01:17:50,950 --> 01:17:47,679
that the the creative part out there

1901
01:17:53,669 --> 01:17:50,960
and then the writing studio slash

1902
01:17:55,350 --> 01:17:53,679
eventually recording studio i do record

1903
01:17:57,430 --> 01:17:55,360
a little bit here but it is just

1904
01:18:00,310 --> 01:17:57,440
makeshift you know as you can tell from

1905
01:18:02,630 --> 01:18:00,320
the little clips that we put out there

1906
01:18:04,470 --> 01:18:02,640
it sounded good to me

1907
01:18:05,510 --> 01:18:04,480
you're doing a good job

1908
01:18:07,350 --> 01:18:05,520
like i said

1909
01:18:09,910 --> 01:18:07,360
anybody could do good work with with

1910
01:18:11,430 --> 01:18:09,920
amazing resources but the true test of

1911
01:18:12,950 --> 01:18:11,440
an artist is how well he does when he

1912
01:18:17,590 --> 01:18:12,960
has very little

1913
01:18:19,510 --> 01:18:17,600
kudos to you sounds pretty good whatever

1914
01:18:21,910 --> 01:18:19,520
you're doing just keep doing that just

1915
01:18:24,149 --> 01:18:21,920
keep doing it

1916
01:18:26,149 --> 01:18:24,159
yeah well it depends a lot on your goals

1917
01:18:28,470 --> 01:18:26,159
too i'm not out there for the the big

1918
01:18:29,430 --> 01:18:28,480
numbers and to compete with all of the

1919
01:18:36,790 --> 01:18:29,440
the

1920
01:18:39,270 --> 01:18:36,800
i just assume have a nice little cozy

1921
01:18:43,669 --> 01:18:39,280
serious group you know people that are

1922
01:18:45,750 --> 01:18:43,679
are really um serious about getting into

1923
01:18:47,110 --> 01:18:45,760
actually moving on with their lives

1924
01:18:50,070 --> 01:18:47,120
instead of being caught up in that

1925
01:18:51,750 --> 01:18:50,080
simulation so

1926
01:18:53,830 --> 01:18:51,760
that's kind of the motivating factor

1927
01:18:55,910 --> 01:18:53,840
behind this and then of course we've got

1928
01:18:58,070 --> 01:18:55,920
our blog i'm starting to load up some of

1929
01:18:59,510 --> 01:18:58,080
my old articles there and the ones that

1930
01:19:01,270 --> 01:18:59,520
are going on now it's been kind of

1931
01:19:03,990 --> 01:19:01,280
reminiscent

1932
01:19:06,470 --> 01:19:04,000
going clear back to when i began writing

1933
01:19:08,470 --> 01:19:06,480
a number of years ago about the false

1934
01:19:10,070 --> 01:19:08,480
light the false dark

1935
01:19:13,189 --> 01:19:10,080
that stuff we were talking about with

1936
01:19:17,750 --> 01:19:15,510
you know the the background of that kind

1937
01:19:19,350 --> 01:19:17,760
of uh thing so that you know people are

1938
01:19:22,709 --> 01:19:19,360
welcome to come over and take a look at

1939
01:19:24,390 --> 01:19:22,719
that now we don't try to make it match

1940
01:19:26,709 --> 01:19:24,400
everybody and that's kind of why we've

1941
01:19:28,870 --> 01:19:26,719
taken the heat that we have as well

1942
01:19:30,550 --> 01:19:28,880
so well that brings me back to that

1943
01:19:32,630 --> 01:19:30,560
brings me back to another question that

1944
01:19:35,270 --> 01:19:32,640
i did want to ask you having so much

1945
01:19:37,350 --> 01:19:35,280
experience with all things magical and

1946
01:19:39,430 --> 01:19:37,360
that is i've heard you and many other

1947
01:19:41,430 --> 01:19:39,440
people mention black magic and i heard

1948
01:19:42,470 --> 01:19:41,440
many people in many books mention white

1949
01:19:44,470 --> 01:19:42,480
magic

1950
01:19:47,030 --> 01:19:44,480
and and you sort of touched on that but

1951
01:19:48,390 --> 01:19:47,040
i wanted to ask somebody that knows much

1952
01:19:50,470 --> 01:19:48,400
better than me

1953
01:19:53,430 --> 01:19:50,480
is there such thing as gray magic and

1954
01:19:57,750 --> 01:19:55,590
well i actually did touch a little bit

1955
01:19:59,590 --> 01:19:57,760
on that on the the beginning parts of my

1956
01:20:01,750 --> 01:19:59,600
books that i started writing a long time

1957
01:20:03,669 --> 01:20:01,760
ago that i'm trying to get back together

1958
01:20:05,910 --> 01:20:03,679
and and pick up now that i've got the

1959
01:20:09,270 --> 01:20:05,920
rights on it again

1960
01:20:11,590 --> 01:20:09,280
and expand on it i talked about that

1961
01:20:14,149 --> 01:20:11,600
from my perspective now there are

1962
01:20:16,149 --> 01:20:14,159
pockets and systems out there that are

1963
01:20:17,590 --> 01:20:16,159
still very rigid

1964
01:20:20,070 --> 01:20:17,600
but in

1965
01:20:22,550 --> 01:20:20,080
the way that i try i present it is yes

1966
01:20:25,030 --> 01:20:22,560
there there is a dark magic there is a

1967
01:20:26,229 --> 01:20:25,040
light magic and there is anything in

1968
01:20:28,070 --> 01:20:26,239
between

1969
01:20:31,830 --> 01:20:28,080
like i said

1970
01:20:34,229 --> 01:20:31,840
our um realms of form here are more

1971
01:20:36,229 --> 01:20:34,239
often and both

1972
01:20:38,870 --> 01:20:36,239
as opposed to either or

1973
01:20:42,390 --> 01:20:38,880
it's not black or white it's black and

1974
01:20:43,590 --> 01:20:42,400
white okay so you've got much more gray

1975
01:20:45,669 --> 01:20:43,600
than you do

1976
01:20:48,550 --> 01:20:45,679
that

1977
01:20:51,669 --> 01:20:48,560
what usually distinguishes historically

1978
01:20:53,830 --> 01:20:51,679
between black and white magic is the

1979
01:20:55,189 --> 01:20:53,840
intention behind it number one which is

1980
01:20:56,950 --> 01:20:55,199
a good thing

1981
01:20:59,990 --> 01:20:56,960
but there are

1982
01:21:02,629 --> 01:21:00,000
reasons for darker magic um you know

1983
01:21:04,629 --> 01:21:02,639
going into your cave for healing going

1984
01:21:05,669 --> 01:21:04,639
in inward

1985
01:21:08,310 --> 01:21:05,679
that kind

1986
01:21:10,709 --> 01:21:08,320
you know the darkness that's where a lot

1987
01:21:12,550 --> 01:21:10,719
of the fear has been set up but if you

1988
01:21:14,070 --> 01:21:12,560
get to looking at a lot of this and this

1989
01:21:16,470 --> 01:21:14,080
was something from some of my other

1990
01:21:19,030 --> 01:21:16,480
articles on false light and false darks

1991
01:21:21,350 --> 01:21:19,040
that propagates this old cult

1992
01:21:22,470 --> 01:21:21,360
that is going on out here

1993
01:21:25,030 --> 01:21:22,480
light

1994
01:21:27,990 --> 01:21:25,040
can conceal more than even dark

1995
01:21:30,550 --> 01:21:28,000
you've got your glaring light you've got

1996
01:21:33,110 --> 01:21:30,560
light can be as damaging if not more

1997
01:21:35,510 --> 01:21:33,120
damaging than dark

1998
01:21:36,709 --> 01:21:35,520
if that makes any sense on an alchemical

1999
01:21:38,470 --> 01:21:36,719
um

2000
01:21:40,870 --> 01:21:38,480
level yeah because you can blind

2001
01:21:43,270 --> 01:21:40,880
people's vision with that light i

2002
01:21:46,790 --> 01:21:43,280
suppose

2003
01:21:48,070 --> 01:21:46,800
blinded by the light yeah

2004
01:21:50,790 --> 01:21:48,080
yeah

2005
01:21:52,950 --> 01:21:50,800
and it it it can be much more deceptive

2006
01:21:54,629 --> 01:21:52,960
and and i actually i remember an old old

2007
01:21:57,030 --> 01:21:54,639
article i wrote about

2008
01:22:00,070 --> 01:21:57,040
um i'd rather

2009
01:22:03,110 --> 01:22:00,080
well i can't remember maybe it was in my

2010
01:22:05,430 --> 01:22:03,120
um dance to the universe i just posted

2011
01:22:07,110 --> 01:22:05,440
up there one of them that i just posted

2012
01:22:09,750 --> 01:22:07,120
on the website talks

2013
01:22:11,590 --> 01:22:09,760
about that is that i would much rather

2014
01:22:14,790 --> 01:22:11,600
go toe-to-toe

2015
01:22:17,350 --> 01:22:14,800
with the deepest and darkest of what is

2016
01:22:19,750 --> 01:22:17,360
considered to be demonic

2017
01:22:21,990 --> 01:22:19,760
because to me that is much more

2018
01:22:22,830 --> 01:22:22,000
trustworthy because you know what you're

2019
01:22:26,310 --> 01:22:22,840
dealing

2020
01:22:29,750 --> 01:22:26,320
with it is that false light

2021
01:22:35,270 --> 01:22:32,310
kiss of deception

2022
01:22:37,910 --> 01:22:35,280
that really gets my hackles up you know

2023
01:22:39,750 --> 01:22:37,920
the um and then that goes into my my

2024
01:22:42,310 --> 01:22:39,760
writings on the angelic and demonic

2025
01:22:44,790 --> 01:22:42,320
realms and things like that but

2026
01:22:46,950 --> 01:22:44,800
um because it is is much different when

2027
01:22:47,910 --> 01:22:46,960
you take the the

2028
01:22:49,189 --> 01:22:47,920
loaded

2029
01:22:54,229 --> 01:22:49,199
sphere

2030
01:22:56,149 --> 01:22:54,239
and um power themes behind those stories

2031
01:22:57,110 --> 01:22:56,159
and really look at them for what they

2032
01:23:00,070 --> 01:22:57,120
are

2033
01:23:02,470 --> 01:23:00,080
that demystifies and destigmatizes a lot

2034
01:23:03,590 --> 01:23:02,480
of that you know

2035
01:23:06,709 --> 01:23:03,600
so

2036
01:23:08,709 --> 01:23:06,719
i have been more damaged by the the

2037
01:23:10,470 --> 01:23:08,719
light community than i have the dark

2038
01:23:11,110 --> 01:23:10,480
community i guess is a good way to put

2039
01:23:13,510 --> 01:23:11,120
it

2040
01:23:15,910 --> 01:23:13,520
that sounds strange

2041
01:23:18,310 --> 01:23:15,920
yeah and yeah i i've been

2042
01:23:20,229 --> 01:23:18,320
harder by the the false light community

2043
01:23:23,669 --> 01:23:20,239
than i have from any of the dark

2044
01:23:25,910 --> 01:23:23,679
communities so and i had a a

2045
01:23:27,590 --> 01:23:25,920
philosophical question for you about

2046
01:23:29,669 --> 01:23:27,600
magic because you mentioned intent

2047
01:23:31,750 --> 01:23:29,679
several times and i've been thinking

2048
01:23:33,750 --> 01:23:31,760
about this white magic and dark magic

2049
01:23:36,870 --> 01:23:33,760
and what's the difference and

2050
01:23:39,830 --> 01:23:36,880
and i sort of agree with you that intent

2051
01:23:42,629 --> 01:23:39,840
is what makes it either light or dark

2052
01:23:44,950 --> 01:23:42,639
but let's say for an example that you

2053
01:23:46,550 --> 01:23:44,960
have a family member who's dying and has

2054
01:23:48,870 --> 01:23:46,560
been dying for

2055
01:23:51,830 --> 01:23:48,880
let's say several years

2056
01:23:53,590 --> 01:23:51,840
now usually for most schools or books

2057
01:23:54,709 --> 01:23:53,600
about magic that i've

2058
01:23:57,669 --> 01:23:54,719
read

2059
01:23:58,870 --> 01:23:57,679
a healing spell is white magic and

2060
01:24:01,430 --> 01:23:58,880
shouldn't be

2061
01:24:02,790 --> 01:24:01,440
harmful to you to use

2062
01:24:04,550 --> 01:24:02,800
but let's say

2063
01:24:06,950 --> 01:24:04,560
this family member is dying and they're

2064
01:24:08,709 --> 01:24:06,960
ready to die they almost want to to end

2065
01:24:09,910 --> 01:24:08,719
their long suffering

2066
01:24:12,550 --> 01:24:09,920
and you

2067
01:24:16,550 --> 01:24:12,560
as a magic practitioner not you but you

2068
01:24:19,990 --> 01:24:16,560
know let's say this example person would

2069
01:24:21,990 --> 01:24:20,000
continually cast healing spells

2070
01:24:24,550 --> 01:24:22,000
on that dying person

2071
01:24:27,830 --> 01:24:24,560
but do it out of selfishness because

2072
01:24:29,350 --> 01:24:27,840
they can't bear to lose that person

2073
01:24:32,950 --> 01:24:29,360
would that be

2074
01:24:37,830 --> 01:24:34,550
because you're prolonging someone's

2075
01:24:43,189 --> 01:24:40,629
yes because that that is stepping over

2076
01:24:47,030 --> 01:24:43,199
their free will as well

2077
01:24:49,430 --> 01:24:47,040
um as a healer the first thing that um

2078
01:24:52,550 --> 01:24:49,440
you know going back to that law of want

2079
01:24:54,870 --> 01:24:52,560
of not the law of one but the threefold

2080
01:24:59,910 --> 01:24:54,880
return that you were talking about

2081
01:25:04,149 --> 01:25:02,310
poetic presentation

2082
01:25:07,590 --> 01:25:04,159
of cause and effect

2083
01:25:09,910 --> 01:25:07,600
okay if somebody really picks that apart

2084
01:25:14,310 --> 01:25:09,920
a practitioner that gets into the deeper

2085
01:25:16,870 --> 01:25:14,320
levels of magic needs to really weigh

2086
01:25:18,550 --> 01:25:16,880
what their intention is and if they are

2087
01:25:21,510 --> 01:25:18,560
overstepping the bounds of another

2088
01:25:25,030 --> 01:25:21,520
person an unsolicited prayer

2089
01:25:29,189 --> 01:25:25,040
is as damaging as anybody actively

2090
01:25:32,629 --> 01:25:30,709
well i guess that answers my question

2091
01:25:33,510 --> 01:25:32,639
then

2092
01:25:37,430 --> 01:25:33,520
yeah

2093
01:25:39,510 --> 01:25:37,440
and that that is one thing

2094
01:25:40,950 --> 01:25:39,520
with my understudies in the past that

2095
01:25:43,030 --> 01:25:40,960
that's one of the hardest ones to

2096
01:25:44,229 --> 01:25:43,040
grapple with it was for me as well to

2097
01:25:47,189 --> 01:25:44,239
work through

2098
01:25:49,750 --> 01:25:47,199
because um you know it and it's very

2099
01:25:51,830 --> 01:25:49,760
awkward sometimes when somebody hears

2100
01:25:53,910 --> 01:25:51,840
about something that has happened in my

2101
01:25:56,470 --> 01:25:53,920
life and well i'll pray for you i'm

2102
01:25:57,910 --> 01:25:56,480
going no please don't you know

2103
01:25:59,830 --> 01:25:57,920
um

2104
01:26:01,990 --> 01:25:59,840
thanks but no thanks kind of thing i

2105
01:26:05,590 --> 01:26:02,000
presented different ways and stuff but

2106
01:26:08,790 --> 01:26:05,600
if i did not solicit it and you start

2107
01:26:10,709 --> 01:26:08,800
piling that into to you know directing

2108
01:26:12,629 --> 01:26:10,719
that energy towards me that is

2109
01:26:14,390 --> 01:26:12,639
interfering with what i'm dealing with

2110
01:26:15,830 --> 01:26:14,400
on my own level

2111
01:26:19,110 --> 01:26:15,840
right

2112
01:26:20,550 --> 01:26:19,120
so to me that an unsolicited prayer or

2113
01:26:23,830 --> 01:26:20,560
healing

2114
01:26:25,990 --> 01:26:23,840
is um can be just as detrimental and

2115
01:26:27,350 --> 01:26:26,000
i've seen it in the longer run even more

2116
01:26:29,270 --> 01:26:27,360
so

2117
01:26:32,070 --> 01:26:29,280
um and that goes with a lot of the

2118
01:26:34,550 --> 01:26:32,080
healers that were out there that um

2119
01:26:36,550 --> 01:26:34,560
think that they always have to cure the

2120
01:26:39,270 --> 01:26:36,560
illness that isn't necessarily

2121
01:26:42,070 --> 01:26:39,280
the thing the person may need to figure

2122
01:26:44,390 --> 01:26:42,080
out how to do it themselves within

2123
01:26:45,830 --> 01:26:44,400
and find out the root of what happened

2124
01:26:48,629 --> 01:26:45,840
there

2125
01:26:50,550 --> 01:26:48,639
we saw a big thing going on when we were

2126
01:26:53,830 --> 01:26:50,560
really identifying

2127
01:26:56,229 --> 01:26:53,840
a past trend it's still going on but it

2128
01:26:59,350 --> 01:26:56,239
was getting very prevalent a couple of

2129
01:27:00,950 --> 01:26:59,360
years ago about the interdimensional

2130
01:27:03,350 --> 01:27:00,960
interference

2131
01:27:05,990 --> 01:27:03,360
that's one one of the

2132
01:27:07,990 --> 01:27:06,000
pockets of people i was working with

2133
01:27:09,830 --> 01:27:08,000
back then i was interviewed a few times

2134
01:27:12,390 --> 01:27:09,840
by laura leone

2135
01:27:14,709 --> 01:27:12,400
on sovereign key and that's where my

2136
01:27:17,110 --> 01:27:14,719
material is talking about the antivirus

2137
01:27:19,350 --> 01:27:17,120
and the work in pluto's cave underneath

2138
01:27:21,110 --> 01:27:19,360
mount shasta if anybody's interested in

2139
01:27:21,990 --> 01:27:21,120
that i'll be posting that again pretty

2140
01:27:23,270 --> 01:27:22,000
soon

2141
01:27:26,310 --> 01:27:23,280
but

2142
01:27:28,709 --> 01:27:26,320
um anyway the the whole thing that

2143
01:27:30,950 --> 01:27:28,719
happens with that is when you're

2144
01:27:33,350 --> 01:27:30,960
teaching another practitioner or working

2145
01:27:35,270 --> 01:27:33,360
with yourself sometimes it's not the

2146
01:27:37,350 --> 01:27:35,280
wisest thing to do that especially

2147
01:27:39,750 --> 01:27:37,360
against the the

2148
01:27:41,669 --> 01:27:39,760
um person that is

2149
01:27:44,310 --> 01:27:41,679
has the infliction

2150
01:27:46,310 --> 01:27:44,320
and and would this also apply i always i

2151
01:27:47,350 --> 01:27:46,320
was always curious about this question

2152
01:27:49,990 --> 01:27:47,360
would that

2153
01:27:52,629 --> 01:27:50,000
sort of philosophy also apply to like

2154
01:27:55,590 --> 01:27:52,639
love and lust spells that people want to

2155
01:27:59,270 --> 01:27:55,600
cast on a person that they're interested

2156
01:28:00,149 --> 01:27:59,280
in wouldn't the same thing apply

2157
01:28:02,390 --> 01:28:00,159
yes

2158
01:28:05,270 --> 01:28:02,400
those also infringe on the other

2159
01:28:07,430 --> 01:28:05,280
person's will yes i i would agree and

2160
01:28:09,990 --> 01:28:07,440
they can go as far as binding some of

2161
01:28:13,030 --> 01:28:10,000
those spells that you see out there are

2162
01:28:15,430 --> 01:28:13,040
actually binding spells and it that it

2163
01:28:17,830 --> 01:28:15,440
to me is one of the biggest violations

2164
01:28:21,270 --> 01:28:17,840
of someone's free will is to put a

2165
01:28:22,870 --> 01:28:21,280
binding on them out of

2166
01:28:25,350 --> 01:28:22,880
you know you know that saying the road

2167
01:28:27,189 --> 01:28:25,360
to hell is paid by well intentions yeah

2168
01:28:29,350 --> 01:28:27,199
you know so some of the dealers

2169
01:28:30,470 --> 01:28:29,360
especially that they are really caught

2170
01:28:32,310 --> 01:28:30,480
up in that

2171
01:28:34,550 --> 01:28:32,320
and what i was getting at before was

2172
01:28:36,149 --> 01:28:34,560
this passing the virus from one patient

2173
01:28:38,870 --> 01:28:36,159
to the other as well because they

2174
01:28:41,590 --> 01:28:38,880
weren't attending to the dark side of

2175
01:28:45,110 --> 01:28:41,600
their cleansing and passing that

2176
01:28:47,189 --> 01:28:45,120
frequency on to the next client

2177
01:28:49,830 --> 01:28:47,199
and we saw a lot of that with reiki

2178
01:28:51,510 --> 01:28:49,840
masters massage therapists that kind of

2179
01:28:53,030 --> 01:28:51,520
thing going on they would go from one

2180
01:28:55,270 --> 01:28:53,040
client to the next and just keep

2181
01:28:58,070 --> 01:28:55,280
spreading that virus

2182
01:28:59,510 --> 01:28:58,080
well that's interesting and i guess the

2183
01:29:01,910 --> 01:28:59,520
the other the other

2184
01:29:03,750 --> 01:29:01,920
big question that i i wanted to talk to

2185
01:29:04,950 --> 01:29:03,760
you about about magic and we touched on

2186
01:29:05,990 --> 01:29:04,960
a little bit is

2187
01:29:08,870 --> 01:29:06,000
these

2188
01:29:12,070 --> 01:29:08,880
so-called demonic forces and are there

2189
01:29:13,830 --> 01:29:12,080
truly is there truly a danger if you

2190
01:29:15,590 --> 01:29:13,840
start messing with some of this stuff

2191
01:29:18,950 --> 01:29:15,600
that you read in books or trying to cast

2192
01:29:21,110 --> 01:29:18,960
spells that you will open a doorway and

2193
01:29:23,669 --> 01:29:21,120
leave yourself open or susceptible to

2194
01:29:25,110 --> 01:29:23,679
some kind of dark forces demonic forces

2195
01:29:27,990 --> 01:29:25,120
or danger

2196
01:29:28,950 --> 01:29:28,000
from playing with fire i suppose that

2197
01:29:31,910 --> 01:29:28,960
you don't

2198
01:29:33,270 --> 01:29:31,920
fully understand

2199
01:29:35,910 --> 01:29:33,280
oh certainly

2200
01:29:37,510 --> 01:29:35,920
certainly i i cannot refute that one bit

2201
01:29:42,709 --> 01:29:37,520
now it may not be

2202
01:29:48,470 --> 01:29:45,750
is running rampant out there with the

2203
01:29:52,070 --> 01:29:48,480
satanic and luciferian stuff most of

2204
01:29:52,950 --> 01:29:52,080
that is based on fantasy okay

2205
01:29:55,350 --> 01:29:52,960
now

2206
01:29:57,990 --> 01:29:55,360
what happens

2207
01:30:01,270 --> 01:29:59,430
how am i going to get into this i know

2208
01:30:02,870 --> 01:30:01,280
we're running running kind of short we

2209
01:30:05,270 --> 01:30:02,880
may have to do another

2210
01:30:07,750 --> 01:30:05,280
another step

2211
01:30:10,390 --> 01:30:07,760
on getting deeper into this but there

2212
01:30:12,709 --> 01:30:10,400
are dangers everywhere and anywhere and

2213
01:30:15,110 --> 01:30:12,719
what what the whole thing about the the

2214
01:30:17,430 --> 01:30:15,120
threefold return

2215
01:30:19,430 --> 01:30:17,440
um was is is pointing that your

2216
01:30:21,590 --> 01:30:19,440
responsibility and your accountability

2217
01:30:23,669 --> 01:30:21,600
with what is there and

2218
01:30:25,270 --> 01:30:23,679
the reason why i call it giving fire to

2219
01:30:27,990 --> 01:30:25,280
a two-year-old and that's what we saw

2220
01:30:31,030 --> 01:30:28,000
blow up with soul tribe sanctuary a few

2221
01:30:32,870 --> 01:30:31,040
months back especially is because people

2222
01:30:35,030 --> 01:30:32,880
were getting too much information they

2223
01:30:37,910 --> 01:30:35,040
weren't able to incorporate it in get

2224
01:30:39,750 --> 01:30:37,920
the experiential stuff learn from it

2225
01:30:42,390 --> 01:30:39,760
because there's hard lessons that come

2226
01:30:44,310 --> 01:30:42,400
from from learning this

2227
01:30:47,030 --> 01:30:44,320
okay

2228
01:30:49,830 --> 01:30:47,040
it's that trial by fire kind of thing

2229
01:30:50,870 --> 01:30:49,840
and we all do it it's just a different

2230
01:30:52,070 --> 01:30:50,880
extent

2231
01:30:53,669 --> 01:30:52,080
okay

2232
01:30:54,950 --> 01:30:53,679
um

2233
01:30:57,510 --> 01:30:54,960
so

2234
01:31:00,629 --> 01:30:57,520
i'm not sure exactly what you're wanting

2235
01:31:03,350 --> 01:31:00,639
to to know about the take on the demonic

2236
01:31:05,189 --> 01:31:03,360
that i see the demonic the the demonic

2237
01:31:07,270 --> 01:31:05,199
parts that i've dealt with with any of

2238
01:31:08,629 --> 01:31:07,280
the exorcisms i've ever dealt with or

2239
01:31:11,270 --> 01:31:08,639
any of the

2240
01:31:16,470 --> 01:31:11,280
paranormal

2241
01:31:18,550 --> 01:31:16,480
and hyperdimensional work that happens

2242
01:31:20,870 --> 01:31:18,560
i have seen some of the ugliest but i

2243
01:31:24,709 --> 01:31:20,880
have also i also see that in the humans

2244
01:31:26,709 --> 01:31:24,719
i work with so i don't see a distinction

2245
01:31:27,830 --> 01:31:26,719
and that's hard for a lot of people to

2246
01:31:31,110 --> 01:31:27,840
grasp

2247
01:31:38,310 --> 01:31:34,950
most of the demonic quote-unquote

2248
01:31:41,189 --> 01:31:38,320
forces that i have

2249
01:31:43,590 --> 01:31:41,199
come across are damaged

2250
01:31:45,990 --> 01:31:43,600
spirits

2251
01:31:47,669 --> 01:31:46,000
that are in need of healing

2252
01:31:50,870 --> 01:31:47,679
and um

2253
01:31:52,950 --> 01:31:50,880
i i think i even went at that one clip

2254
01:31:56,629 --> 01:31:52,960
that you had listened to i had talked

2255
01:31:59,910 --> 01:31:56,639
about the false allegations of um having

2256
01:32:02,229 --> 01:31:59,920
a gin removed from me

2257
01:32:05,350 --> 01:32:02,239
um that that's kind of how i deal with

2258
01:32:09,510 --> 01:32:05,360
that and i and i'm just

2259
01:32:10,950 --> 01:32:09,520
i don't go around commanding anything

2260
01:32:13,669 --> 01:32:10,960
unless

2261
01:32:16,550 --> 01:32:13,679
i'm backed into a corner and um you know

2262
01:32:17,669 --> 01:32:16,560
even then it's it's a hard decision

2263
01:32:19,830 --> 01:32:17,679
so

2264
01:32:22,229 --> 01:32:19,840
yeah i remember when i i remember when i

2265
01:32:24,470 --> 01:32:22,239
was young some friend of mine like had

2266
01:32:26,390 --> 01:32:24,480
an alistair crowley book about summoning

2267
01:32:27,750 --> 01:32:26,400
and commanding demons and i remember

2268
01:32:29,430 --> 01:32:27,760
telling him like

2269
01:32:32,229 --> 01:32:29,440
you have no idea what you're trying to

2270
01:32:35,750 --> 01:32:32,239
deal with there like you know

2271
01:32:36,629 --> 01:32:35,760
that's not something that you play with

2272
01:32:39,590 --> 01:32:36,639
yeah

2273
01:32:41,590 --> 01:32:39,600
well i've had some understudies that um

2274
01:32:43,830 --> 01:32:41,600
have

2275
01:32:46,550 --> 01:32:43,840
just fondly one that i worked with for a

2276
01:32:48,950 --> 01:32:46,560
very long time he he actually

2277
01:32:51,510 --> 01:32:48,960
wears it as a badge of honor that he got

2278
01:32:53,270 --> 01:32:51,520
kicked out of the odo and

2279
01:32:55,830 --> 01:32:53,280
and the golden

2280
01:32:59,350 --> 01:32:55,840
couch oh i'm sorry

2281
01:33:00,950 --> 01:32:59,360
i kicked my dog darn it um didn't mean

2282
01:33:03,750 --> 01:33:00,960
that um

2283
01:33:06,830 --> 01:33:03,760
and the golden dawn he was such a rebel

2284
01:33:09,830 --> 01:33:06,840
that that they couldn't even handle him

2285
01:33:11,270 --> 01:33:09,840
but but

2286
01:33:13,510 --> 01:33:11,280
yeah

2287
01:33:16,310 --> 01:33:13,520
but that whole commanding and demanding

2288
01:33:18,550 --> 01:33:16,320
and binding and everything i'm not

2289
01:33:22,950 --> 01:33:18,560
saying it's absolutely

2290
01:33:24,629 --> 01:33:22,960
unnecessary but it is certainly

2291
01:33:27,830 --> 01:33:24,639
a dangerous spot to be because what

2292
01:33:30,709 --> 01:33:27,840
you're dealing with more foremost is

2293
01:33:33,270 --> 01:33:30,719
your own inner demons

2294
01:33:35,750 --> 01:33:33,280
and that left for

2295
01:33:38,470 --> 01:33:35,760
role uh the most of them that i have

2296
01:33:39,430 --> 01:33:38,480
seen that have gotten into actual demon

2297
01:33:41,750 --> 01:33:39,440
work

2298
01:33:45,270 --> 01:33:41,760
get into this game

2299
01:33:46,550 --> 01:33:45,280
of um troll

2300
01:33:49,189 --> 01:33:46,560
and then

2301
01:33:51,350 --> 01:33:49,199
then who's to say down the line what's

2302
01:33:54,629 --> 01:33:51,360
worse than what

2303
01:33:56,310 --> 01:33:54,639
because they are in such a um

2304
01:34:00,870 --> 01:33:56,320
a locked in

2305
01:34:03,270 --> 01:34:00,880
battle at that point that um it's in my

2306
01:34:05,350 --> 01:34:03,280
opinion unnecessary

2307
01:34:07,270 --> 01:34:05,360
yeah so you think people sometimes just

2308
01:34:08,629 --> 01:34:07,280
see reflections of themselves in these

2309
01:34:11,750 --> 01:34:08,639
things like they're seeing their own

2310
01:34:15,510 --> 01:34:11,760
dark side is that what you're saying

2311
01:34:18,629 --> 01:34:15,520
that is more more times than not yes um

2312
01:34:21,430 --> 01:34:18,639
as i was talking before um

2313
01:34:24,149 --> 01:34:21,440
just like um i'm kind of going to

2314
01:34:25,510 --> 01:34:24,159
degress a little bit into chemical

2315
01:34:28,709 --> 01:34:25,520
addiction

2316
01:34:31,590 --> 01:34:28,719
you have to have receptor in your brain

2317
01:34:33,350 --> 01:34:31,600
for that opiate and we because we make

2318
01:34:37,030 --> 01:34:33,360
our own opiates we make our own

2319
01:34:39,430 --> 01:34:37,040
endorphins our own natural painkillers

2320
01:34:41,990 --> 01:34:39,440
but what happens when you take that from

2321
01:34:45,990 --> 01:34:42,000
the external world into the internal

2322
01:34:48,709 --> 01:34:46,000
world and mess with that synapse

2323
01:34:51,430 --> 01:34:48,719
then you run in into the risk of burning

2324
01:34:52,629 --> 01:34:51,440
out that synapse or your body quits

2325
01:34:55,030 --> 01:34:52,639
producing

2326
01:34:57,109 --> 01:34:55,040
your natural chemicals

2327
01:34:59,270 --> 01:34:57,119
that's the same thing that happens on

2328
01:35:01,990 --> 01:34:59,280
the spiritual level as well you've got

2329
01:35:04,709 --> 01:35:02,000
your own inner vulnerabilities your own

2330
01:35:05,590 --> 01:35:04,719
own wounds that need to be healed

2331
01:35:07,750 --> 01:35:05,600
and

2332
01:35:08,550 --> 01:35:07,760
what happens is if those aren't dealt

2333
01:35:10,550 --> 01:35:08,560
with

2334
01:35:13,669 --> 01:35:10,560
jungian shadow work

2335
01:35:14,470 --> 01:35:13,679
it goes right into that the shadow

2336
01:35:16,790 --> 01:35:14,480
is

2337
01:35:19,669 --> 01:35:16,800
that little it's like the closet that

2338
01:35:21,750 --> 01:35:19,679
you keep putting all of the stuff that

2339
01:35:23,990 --> 01:35:21,760
you keep you hear

2340
01:35:26,310 --> 01:35:24,000
or perceive from someone else that

2341
01:35:29,430 --> 01:35:26,320
you're not good enough so you hide that

2342
01:35:31,109 --> 01:35:29,440
part of you in that closet

2343
01:35:33,590 --> 01:35:31,119
and then it never gets dealt with and

2344
01:35:35,830 --> 01:35:33,600
pretty soon that closet gets too big it

2345
01:35:40,390 --> 01:35:35,840
over spills into other behaviors and

2346
01:35:44,629 --> 01:35:40,400
actions the projection of those

2347
01:35:47,830 --> 01:35:44,639
parts of your psyche onto another person

2348
01:35:49,669 --> 01:35:47,840
the first thing that we teach uh with

2349
01:35:53,590 --> 01:35:49,679
shadow projection

2350
01:35:55,189 --> 01:35:53,600
is when you encounter someone um that

2351
01:35:59,030 --> 01:35:55,199
irritates you

2352
01:36:02,149 --> 01:35:59,040
or you perceive as being evil or or

2353
01:36:04,310 --> 01:36:02,159
having bad behaviors and heaven forbid

2354
01:36:07,990 --> 01:36:04,320
the the one that gets bantered around

2355
01:36:10,950 --> 01:36:08,000
now nonchalantly is narcissist

2356
01:36:13,990 --> 01:36:10,960
what is usually happening is that is a

2357
01:36:17,430 --> 01:36:14,000
reflection of what you're emanating out

2358
01:36:19,350 --> 01:36:17,440
so i'm not saying that victims are are

2359
01:36:21,910 --> 01:36:19,360
pulling that in or anything else but

2360
01:36:23,910 --> 01:36:21,920
that is a learning opportunity of saying

2361
01:36:25,350 --> 01:36:23,920
why is that irritating me so bad is it

2362
01:36:27,270 --> 01:36:25,360
really something they're doing or is

2363
01:36:29,270 --> 01:36:27,280
that something unresolved in me that i

2364
01:36:31,109 --> 01:36:29,280
need to deal with and i'm the one that

2365
01:36:33,030 --> 01:36:31,119
needs to deal with my ship and they need

2366
01:36:36,310 --> 01:36:33,040
to deal with theirs

2367
01:36:42,390 --> 01:36:39,430
i had a i had sort of a an older teacher

2368
01:36:45,189 --> 01:36:42,400
friend of mine in stage magic and he

2369
01:36:47,510 --> 01:36:45,199
used to say uh he was fond of saying

2370
01:36:49,830 --> 01:36:47,520
that there's a very fine line between a

2371
01:36:52,149 --> 01:36:49,840
strong powerful confident man and a

2372
01:36:54,550 --> 01:36:52,159
narcissist make sure that you toe the

2373
01:36:56,950 --> 01:36:54,560
line right you know what i mean

2374
01:36:59,350 --> 01:36:56,960
i i think yeah sometimes people are

2375
01:37:01,270 --> 01:36:59,360
quick to jump out and say narcissist

2376
01:37:03,030 --> 01:37:01,280
if somebody just i don't know sometimes

2377
01:37:04,470 --> 01:37:03,040
i i don't agree with someone's

2378
01:37:06,550 --> 01:37:04,480
assessment of that if they like

2379
01:37:07,990 --> 01:37:06,560
attention if they're doing great things

2380
01:37:09,830 --> 01:37:08,000
why shouldn't they get attention for

2381
01:37:11,900 --> 01:37:09,840
doing those great things you know i

2382
01:37:14,070 --> 01:37:11,910
guess the problem comes in with the ego

2383
01:37:15,750 --> 01:37:14,080
[Music]

2384
01:37:18,870 --> 01:37:15,760
what the thing is

2385
01:37:21,990 --> 01:37:18,880
the difference between diagnostic

2386
01:37:25,189 --> 01:37:22,000
criteria and human characteristics

2387
01:37:28,310 --> 01:37:25,199
that's all that the dsm-5 is is human

2388
01:37:30,149 --> 01:37:28,320
characteristics the thing that happens

2389
01:37:31,590 --> 01:37:30,159
is when it becomes a problem in that

2390
01:37:34,629 --> 01:37:31,600
person's life

2391
01:37:36,870 --> 01:37:34,639
then it garners a diagnosis

2392
01:37:39,189 --> 01:37:36,880
okay and an illness and you know if you

2393
01:37:40,070 --> 01:37:39,199
want to go down the medical disease

2394
01:37:42,629 --> 01:37:40,080
model

2395
01:37:44,629 --> 01:37:42,639
um part of it i i i do that

2396
01:37:46,950 --> 01:37:44,639
categorically in my mind because of

2397
01:37:49,109 --> 01:37:46,960
assessment and diagnostic stuff to try

2398
01:37:51,189 --> 01:37:49,119
to just categorize things and push paper

2399
01:37:53,590 --> 01:37:51,199
mostly

2400
01:37:56,109 --> 01:37:53,600
but that whole book is just human

2401
01:37:59,430 --> 01:37:56,119
characteristics we all have those

2402
01:38:02,390 --> 01:37:59,440
predispositions it's how we act on them

2403
01:38:06,310 --> 01:38:02,400
how we react to the stress

2404
01:38:08,629 --> 01:38:06,320
you know um most people and i i i would

2405
01:38:10,709 --> 01:38:08,639
even venture to say all but i try not to

2406
01:38:13,109 --> 01:38:10,719
be so absolute in black and white in my

2407
01:38:15,189 --> 01:38:13,119
thinking but most people

2408
01:38:16,390 --> 01:38:15,199
um

2409
01:38:17,669 --> 01:38:16,400
have

2410
01:38:20,070 --> 01:38:17,679
some of the

2411
01:38:23,030 --> 01:38:20,080
most heinous

2412
01:38:26,390 --> 01:38:23,040
probabilities lying within them

2413
01:38:28,470 --> 01:38:26,400
that you know put under stress put under

2414
01:38:30,709 --> 01:38:28,480
threat

2415
01:38:33,030 --> 01:38:30,719
will come out

2416
01:38:35,350 --> 01:38:33,040
you know i i don't i don't think there

2417
01:38:38,149 --> 01:38:35,360
is even a person

2418
01:38:42,790 --> 01:38:41,109
could say otherwise to at some level on

2419
01:38:45,189 --> 01:38:42,800
that

2420
01:38:48,229 --> 01:38:45,199
we all have narcissistic tendencies

2421
01:38:51,189 --> 01:38:48,239
narcissism is is can be part of a

2422
01:38:56,550 --> 01:38:53,990
and there's another one with the new age

2423
01:38:58,390 --> 01:38:56,560
stuff and other uh

2424
01:39:00,550 --> 01:38:58,400
systems out there that says that you

2425
01:39:02,709 --> 01:39:00,560
have to set aside your ego dissolve your

2426
01:39:05,189 --> 01:39:02,719
ego if you

2427
01:39:07,510 --> 01:39:05,199
get rid of the ego the ego is a good

2428
01:39:11,510 --> 01:39:07,520
tool but that's all it is

2429
01:39:12,790 --> 01:39:11,520
it is part of what makes you say i am i

2430
01:39:15,910 --> 01:39:12,800
am

2431
01:39:19,669 --> 01:39:15,920
and take your own responsibility now an

2432
01:39:21,030 --> 01:39:19,679
overreaching or an overdeveloped ego

2433
01:39:24,310 --> 01:39:21,040
can become

2434
01:39:27,750 --> 01:39:25,270
so

2435
01:39:30,870 --> 01:39:27,760
being a performer i've seen that happen

2436
01:39:33,109 --> 01:39:30,880
so many times and in fact in magic it's

2437
01:39:34,950 --> 01:39:33,119
kind of funny like in stage magic and

2438
01:39:36,149 --> 01:39:34,960
magic circles

2439
01:39:37,750 --> 01:39:36,159
uh

2440
01:39:40,470 --> 01:39:37,760
just a quick example

2441
01:39:43,189 --> 01:39:40,480
there was a person that just decided to

2442
01:39:44,950 --> 01:39:43,199
label themselves a master magician

2443
01:39:46,870 --> 01:39:44,960
and put that above their name on their

2444
01:39:49,030 --> 01:39:46,880
posters and things like that and this

2445
01:39:51,430 --> 01:39:49,040
person was by no means a master at his

2446
01:39:52,790 --> 01:39:51,440
craft he's way too young too arrogant

2447
01:39:55,830 --> 01:39:52,800
too stupid

2448
01:39:58,310 --> 01:39:55,840
to claim that title for himself and i

2449
01:40:00,229 --> 01:39:58,320
asked my magic teacher well then how do

2450
01:40:01,990 --> 01:40:00,239
you know when you're a master magician

2451
01:40:03,669 --> 01:40:02,000
and he said

2452
01:40:06,149 --> 01:40:03,679
you cannot give that title to yourself

2453
01:40:07,270 --> 01:40:06,159
you're a master magician when many many

2454
01:40:09,669 --> 01:40:07,280
other people

2455
01:40:12,310 --> 01:40:09,679
start calling you that

2456
01:40:14,070 --> 01:40:12,320
so you have to separate your ego and say

2457
01:40:15,510 --> 01:40:14,080
i'm not going to claim that title until

2458
01:40:18,070 --> 01:40:15,520
it's given to me

2459
01:40:20,830 --> 01:40:18,080
and and people will all you know

2460
01:40:22,870 --> 01:40:20,840
most of the good master magicians

2461
01:40:25,430 --> 01:40:22,880
illusionists didn't just put that on

2462
01:40:27,109 --> 01:40:25,440
their name for hype you know

2463
01:40:28,790 --> 01:40:27,119
they were called that by event

2464
01:40:30,470 --> 01:40:28,800
organizers they were called that by

2465
01:40:31,430 --> 01:40:30,480
their clients

2466
01:40:32,950 --> 01:40:31,440
you know

2467
01:40:34,950 --> 01:40:32,960
and that's how you get that title you

2468
01:40:37,030 --> 01:40:34,960
don't just take it for yourself

2469
01:40:38,390 --> 01:40:37,040
so i agree with you yeah

2470
01:40:40,390 --> 01:40:38,400
but then again you did like you said

2471
01:40:42,709 --> 01:40:40,400
that is a tool you need you need a

2472
01:40:44,070 --> 01:40:42,719
little you have to have an ego to think

2473
01:40:45,669 --> 01:40:44,080
i'm going to stand up here and entertain

2474
01:40:50,070 --> 01:40:45,679
a few hundred people

2475
01:40:51,350 --> 01:40:50,080
with a bunch of uh you know tricks

2476
01:40:53,669 --> 01:40:51,360
yeah

2477
01:40:56,310 --> 01:40:53,679
well there's even some literature out

2478
01:40:57,430 --> 01:40:56,320
there that talks about uh the ego

2479
01:40:58,790 --> 01:40:57,440
actually

2480
01:41:02,149 --> 01:40:58,800
coming in

2481
01:41:06,870 --> 01:41:02,159
in as a defense mechanism to humanity

2482
01:41:10,229 --> 01:41:06,880
because of the overreaching

2483
01:41:14,390 --> 01:41:12,470
it was a defense mechanism to

2484
01:41:16,790 --> 01:41:14,400
distinguish

2485
01:41:18,470 --> 01:41:16,800
you as a separate

2486
01:41:19,510 --> 01:41:18,480
as opposed to

2487
01:41:23,590 --> 01:41:19,520
the

2488
01:41:26,629 --> 01:41:23,600
um whims

2489
01:41:28,310 --> 01:41:26,639
that caused the like the deluge or

2490
01:41:30,470 --> 01:41:28,320
something like that now that's just one

2491
01:41:33,350 --> 01:41:30,480
theory out there um it's some

2492
01:41:36,229 --> 01:41:33,360
fascinating read on that on and how

2493
01:41:38,870 --> 01:41:36,239
these people think that um the the ego

2494
01:41:42,070 --> 01:41:38,880
developed and i see it as maybe being

2495
01:41:44,629 --> 01:41:42,080
part of it but i think it is part of the

2496
01:41:47,189 --> 01:41:44,639
evolutionary developmental cycle of of

2497
01:41:49,189 --> 01:41:47,199
the human species which we're all going

2498
01:41:52,550 --> 01:41:49,199
through you know

2499
01:41:54,709 --> 01:41:52,560
that's with my autoimmune illness

2500
01:41:56,950 --> 01:41:54,719
disorder that i'm going on here i've had

2501
01:41:58,709 --> 01:41:56,960
four genetic mutations just in the last

2502
01:42:00,950 --> 01:41:58,719
five years that they they actually

2503
01:42:02,310 --> 01:42:00,960
caught who knows what else happened out

2504
01:42:05,830 --> 01:42:02,320
there you know

2505
01:42:10,149 --> 01:42:05,840
so i i think i think we are in such an

2506
01:42:14,550 --> 01:42:12,070
situation here and that kind of goes

2507
01:42:17,030 --> 01:42:14,560
into the cycles within cycles that i had

2508
01:42:19,030 --> 01:42:17,040
mentioned on an interview with laura a

2509
01:42:20,229 --> 01:42:19,040
couple years back that we were talking

2510
01:42:23,030 --> 01:42:20,239
about

2511
01:42:26,950 --> 01:42:23,040
of what's happening around us right now

2512
01:42:30,070 --> 01:42:26,960
and the tinderbox that

2513
01:42:31,189 --> 01:42:30,080
is going on on many levels with humanity

2514
01:42:32,709 --> 01:42:31,199
and nature

2515
01:42:35,030 --> 01:42:32,719
you mentioned the internet and how

2516
01:42:36,629 --> 01:42:35,040
people are overloaded i i truly believe

2517
01:42:39,430 --> 01:42:36,639
that like i truly believe that people

2518
01:42:42,709 --> 01:42:39,440
are just overloaded inundated with all

2519
01:42:46,390 --> 01:42:42,719
kinds of information coming at them i i

2520
01:42:48,310 --> 01:42:46,400
as a joke i turn my phone off sometimes

2521
01:42:50,229 --> 01:42:48,320
and then i turn it back on and i can

2522
01:42:53,030 --> 01:42:50,239
leave it sit on a table and listen to it

2523
01:42:54,709 --> 01:42:53,040
beep and ring and pop for you know 10

2524
01:42:56,950 --> 01:42:54,719
minutes with all these notifications

2525
01:42:58,550 --> 01:42:56,960
that i missed from turning my phone off

2526
01:43:00,950 --> 01:42:58,560
for half a day

2527
01:43:02,149 --> 01:43:00,960
and uh it reminds it reminds me that

2528
01:43:04,310 --> 01:43:02,159
like

2529
01:43:07,030 --> 01:43:04,320
those things must not be that important

2530
01:43:08,310 --> 01:43:07,040
because all day i didn't need to look at

2531
01:43:10,310 --> 01:43:08,320
that you know

2532
01:43:12,470 --> 01:43:10,320
and i struggle with this with my own

2533
01:43:14,390 --> 01:43:12,480
with my own children like how much

2534
01:43:16,870 --> 01:43:14,400
time am i going to let them on a tablet

2535
01:43:18,629 --> 01:43:16,880
all day you know

2536
01:43:20,310 --> 01:43:18,639
it's it's an interesting question

2537
01:43:21,669 --> 01:43:20,320
because i think we're getting overloaded

2538
01:43:24,310 --> 01:43:21,679
and i like

2539
01:43:25,910 --> 01:43:24,320
that cabin reminds me to get back to

2540
01:43:29,189 --> 01:43:25,920
earth and and

2541
01:43:31,109 --> 01:43:29,199
you know like real things because the

2542
01:43:33,350 --> 01:43:31,119
internet's kind of an illusion to me i

2543
01:43:35,750 --> 01:43:33,360
mean it's tremendous research tool it's

2544
01:43:37,430 --> 01:43:35,760
a tremendous communications tool

2545
01:43:40,310 --> 01:43:37,440
but i guess like anything it has its

2546
01:43:44,070 --> 01:43:42,390
yeah and it has become so muddled right

2547
01:43:46,629 --> 01:43:44,080
now it's going to be a while before the

2548
01:43:51,109 --> 01:43:46,639
dust settles on this one

2549
01:43:53,109 --> 01:43:51,119
we're seeing major major um

2550
01:43:54,950 --> 01:43:53,119
well we've got horses

2551
01:43:58,310 --> 01:43:54,960
out here now

2552
01:44:01,510 --> 01:43:58,320
making noises um but but yeah and then

2553
01:44:04,149 --> 01:44:01,520
you go into the um the stimulation that

2554
01:44:07,189 --> 01:44:04,159
goes on subconsciously through the

2555
01:44:09,830 --> 01:44:07,199
internet with the light the colors the

2556
01:44:11,830 --> 01:44:09,840
sound the headlines people scroll

2557
01:44:14,950 --> 01:44:11,840
through these walls

2558
01:44:16,870 --> 01:44:14,960
and i don't think they realize because i

2559
01:44:19,030 --> 01:44:16,880
talked to so many people that get into

2560
01:44:20,070 --> 01:44:19,040
this internet addiction

2561
01:44:22,070 --> 01:44:20,080
that

2562
01:44:23,750 --> 01:44:22,080
they think oh well it's not affecting me

2563
01:44:25,910 --> 01:44:23,760
because i'm not stopping and reading it

2564
01:44:27,750 --> 01:44:25,920
your mind is picking that up

2565
01:44:29,430 --> 01:44:27,760
it's going into your subconscious it's

2566
01:44:31,750 --> 01:44:29,440
not in the frontal cortex where it's

2567
01:44:34,550 --> 01:44:31,760
being processed but it's being dumped in

2568
01:44:36,910 --> 01:44:34,560
there regardless so all of that those

2569
01:44:39,109 --> 01:44:36,920
fear headlines and everything else are

2570
01:44:41,270 --> 01:44:39,119
re-traumatizing and re-traumatizing

2571
01:44:42,470 --> 01:44:41,280
there is what is called a secondary

2572
01:44:45,430 --> 01:44:42,480
trauma

2573
01:44:50,149 --> 01:44:45,440
that uh we mostly work with with first

2574
01:44:54,629 --> 01:44:52,470
emts that kind of thing

2575
01:44:56,950 --> 01:44:54,639
that are exposed to someone else's

2576
01:44:59,109 --> 01:44:56,960
trauma and then they absorb it so that's

2577
01:45:01,669 --> 01:44:59,119
a secondary trauma

2578
01:45:04,709 --> 01:45:01,679
hearing someone's story over and over is

2579
01:45:06,550 --> 01:45:04,719
a trauma listening to all of this stuff

2580
01:45:09,270 --> 01:45:06,560
about um

2581
01:45:11,990 --> 01:45:09,280
you know these pockets of satanic

2582
01:45:13,750 --> 01:45:12,000
rituals and all of that fear stuff is

2583
01:45:16,790 --> 01:45:13,760
traumatizing people

2584
01:45:19,990 --> 01:45:16,800
and then when you get into ancestral

2585
01:45:20,950 --> 01:45:20,000
trauma species trauma

2586
01:45:23,189 --> 01:45:20,960
you know

2587
01:45:25,669 --> 01:45:23,199
it it it gets

2588
01:45:28,790 --> 01:45:25,679
it's a quagmire real quick

2589
01:45:31,910 --> 01:45:28,800
and you this whole thing of being

2590
01:45:33,350 --> 01:45:31,920
heightened and excitable with

2591
01:45:37,510 --> 01:45:33,360
you know

2592
01:45:43,270 --> 01:45:39,910
stimulations in there you get so used to

2593
01:45:45,910 --> 01:45:43,280
all of the the chemicals of adrenaline

2594
01:45:47,750 --> 01:45:45,920
and those kind of things and then pretty

2595
01:45:49,510 --> 01:45:47,760
soon of course with the autoimmune then

2596
01:45:51,270 --> 01:45:49,520
you end up with the cortisol mixed up in

2597
01:45:53,189 --> 01:45:51,280
there and then you have adrenal fatigue

2598
01:45:57,590 --> 01:45:53,199
and

2599
01:45:59,430 --> 01:45:57,600
then identifying itself as a as the

2600
01:46:01,990 --> 01:45:59,440
enemy and starts attacking its own

2601
01:46:03,350 --> 01:46:02,000
organs that's where i'm at right now

2602
01:46:05,750 --> 01:46:03,360
so um

2603
01:46:08,310 --> 01:46:05,760
i'm sorry and that

2604
01:46:10,950 --> 01:46:08,320
yeah it's it's been kind of

2605
01:46:13,350 --> 01:46:10,960
it's been a long haul

2606
01:46:15,830 --> 01:46:13,360
and that's kind of where i'm at right

2607
01:46:17,510 --> 01:46:15,840
now i'll kind of start wrapping it down

2608
01:46:19,590 --> 01:46:17,520
here you got me on a tangent that's one

2609
01:46:22,629 --> 01:46:19,600
of my passions out there is what is

2610
01:46:25,590 --> 01:46:22,639
going on because i'm a living example of

2611
01:46:27,990 --> 01:46:25,600
that there are many of us just even in

2612
01:46:30,629 --> 01:46:28,000
this small pocket

2613
01:46:32,390 --> 01:46:30,639
right now that have been kind of talking

2614
01:46:33,990 --> 01:46:32,400
among one another

2615
01:46:35,669 --> 01:46:34,000
a lot of the elders that are getting

2616
01:46:39,109 --> 01:46:35,679
ready to exit

2617
01:46:41,590 --> 01:46:39,119
you know and that's what my thrust is

2618
01:46:42,950 --> 01:46:41,600
right now is to get this final chapter

2619
01:46:45,590 --> 01:46:42,960
into a

2620
01:46:48,390 --> 01:46:45,600
concise drop it and move on because i've

2621
01:46:50,950 --> 01:46:48,400
been on this fire and water purification

2622
01:46:53,189 --> 01:46:50,960
quest for most of my life and it's time

2623
01:46:54,790 --> 01:46:53,199
to summarize it and get it ready to go

2624
01:46:58,149 --> 01:46:54,800
out there and that's the thrust behind

2625
01:47:00,709 --> 01:46:58,159
this last website here so

2626
01:47:03,510 --> 01:47:00,719
well it's a tremendous resource and that

2627
01:47:05,910 --> 01:47:03,520
leads me to another question that i hope

2628
01:47:07,590 --> 01:47:05,920
you will answer and that is

2629
01:47:09,910 --> 01:47:07,600
you know people know that i do this

2630
01:47:11,189 --> 01:47:09,920
paranormal show and a lot of people come

2631
01:47:13,510 --> 01:47:11,199
to me and say

2632
01:47:15,750 --> 01:47:13,520
hey uh if i'm interested in learning

2633
01:47:17,350 --> 01:47:15,760
more about magic or witchcraft like what

2634
01:47:19,750 --> 01:47:17,360
are some good books or what are some

2635
01:47:21,510 --> 01:47:19,760
good resources and honestly

2636
01:47:23,990 --> 01:47:21,520
my interest

2637
01:47:25,189 --> 01:47:24,000
has is is not that intense and i don't

2638
01:47:27,109 --> 01:47:25,199
really want to give people the wrong

2639
01:47:29,430 --> 01:47:27,119
advice but for people that are

2640
01:47:30,790 --> 01:47:29,440
interested in these paths

2641
01:47:33,030 --> 01:47:30,800
you know you have a lifetime of

2642
01:47:33,910 --> 01:47:33,040
experience with this

2643
01:47:36,709 --> 01:47:33,920
i would

2644
01:47:38,709 --> 01:47:36,719
would urge you to give some advice to

2645
01:47:39,510 --> 01:47:38,719
people who are interested in pursuing

2646
01:47:41,830 --> 01:47:39,520
this

2647
01:47:44,070 --> 01:47:41,840
more what are some good books or good

2648
01:47:48,390 --> 01:47:44,080
resources that people can

2649
01:47:53,910 --> 01:47:51,430
well the biggest advice i can give um

2650
01:47:55,430 --> 01:47:53,920
people is to get to to learn how to

2651
01:47:58,790 --> 01:47:55,440
identify

2652
01:48:03,270 --> 01:47:58,800
the hyper sensationalized stuff

2653
01:48:05,990 --> 01:48:03,280
and dig in to the boring stuff

2654
01:48:08,950 --> 01:48:06,000
the encyclopedias

2655
01:48:12,470 --> 01:48:08,960
you know the stuff that isn't loaded

2656
01:48:15,350 --> 01:48:12,480
with the the emotional baggage

2657
01:48:16,629 --> 01:48:15,360
that leads people on and to work on

2658
01:48:19,189 --> 01:48:16,639
their own

2659
01:48:21,430 --> 01:48:19,199
ability to objectively

2660
01:48:24,229 --> 01:48:21,440
look at the material

2661
01:48:26,790 --> 01:48:24,239
and not and and then question themselves

2662
01:48:29,750 --> 01:48:26,800
you know if something sparks their fear

2663
01:48:32,629 --> 01:48:29,760
start asking themselves why is that that

2664
01:48:34,790 --> 01:48:32,639
causing that fear is that a fear within

2665
01:48:36,629 --> 01:48:34,800
me innate or is that somebody else's

2666
01:48:39,030 --> 01:48:36,639
tape playing in my head that i heard

2667
01:48:43,830 --> 01:48:40,070
um

2668
01:48:46,950 --> 01:48:43,840
you know that and also to keep a

2669
01:48:51,350 --> 01:48:46,960
well-rounded look don't just dig into

2670
01:48:53,910 --> 01:48:51,360
the book stacks that say magic

2671
01:48:55,910 --> 01:48:53,920
look at philosophy

2672
01:48:59,030 --> 01:48:55,920
look at the history of where this came

2673
01:49:01,270 --> 01:48:59,040
from look at the history of where

2674
01:49:02,709 --> 01:49:01,280
your roots came from

2675
01:49:07,830 --> 01:49:02,719
and

2676
01:49:12,709 --> 01:49:10,310
your environment your immediate real

2677
01:49:14,310 --> 01:49:12,719
environment

2678
01:49:16,629 --> 01:49:14,320
um

2679
01:49:18,470 --> 01:49:16,639
i think one of the better books let me

2680
01:49:20,870 --> 01:49:18,480
take a look at my

2681
01:49:25,270 --> 01:49:20,880
stacks here

2682
01:49:29,270 --> 01:49:25,280
if someone is interested in

2683
01:49:33,350 --> 01:49:30,870
[Music]

2684
01:49:35,589 --> 01:49:33,360
well i'm going to go back

2685
01:49:38,229 --> 01:49:35,599
the only recommendation i am going to

2686
01:49:42,149 --> 01:49:38,239
make at this point

2687
01:49:43,750 --> 01:49:42,159
is two pieces here that are pretty dry

2688
01:49:45,589 --> 01:49:43,760
reading material

2689
01:49:47,990 --> 01:49:45,599
but

2690
01:49:50,149 --> 01:49:48,000
someone that has the

2691
01:49:52,550 --> 01:49:50,159
tendency to really

2692
01:49:55,189 --> 01:49:52,560
interstand or understand

2693
01:49:57,030 --> 01:49:55,199
or remember

2694
01:49:59,910 --> 01:49:57,040
any of this material because it's all

2695
01:50:02,149 --> 01:49:59,920
written on all of us

2696
01:50:04,390 --> 01:50:02,159
none of this information out here is new

2697
01:50:05,750 --> 01:50:04,400
information it's all encoded within us

2698
01:50:06,709 --> 01:50:05,760
anyway but

2699
01:50:09,510 --> 01:50:06,719
um

2700
01:50:13,589 --> 01:50:09,520
the caballon is a study of the hermetic

2701
01:50:15,669 --> 01:50:13,599
philosophy of ancient greece and egypt

2702
01:50:19,109 --> 01:50:15,679
it's written by three initiates and it

2703
01:50:21,669 --> 01:50:19,119
was uh published by the masonic temple

2704
01:50:23,270 --> 01:50:21,679
now that in itself is going to trigger a

2705
01:50:26,390 --> 01:50:23,280
lot of people

2706
01:50:28,629 --> 01:50:26,400
but there are so many layers of truth

2707
01:50:30,950 --> 01:50:28,639
condensed in this little piece here and

2708
01:50:32,870 --> 01:50:30,960
that's actually what the article i put

2709
01:50:36,229 --> 01:50:32,880
on the website

2710
01:50:40,310 --> 01:50:38,310
michaels and duality i think is what the

2711
01:50:42,149 --> 01:50:40,320
name of that title was i just put it on

2712
01:50:44,550 --> 01:50:42,159
my website out there

2713
01:50:46,550 --> 01:50:44,560
um that's one i wrote about four years

2714
01:50:50,870 --> 01:50:46,560
ago or something but it that's it goes

2715
01:50:51,750 --> 01:50:50,880
through the the levels of the caballon

2716
01:50:53,709 --> 01:50:51,760
um

2717
01:50:56,870 --> 01:50:53,719
and then the other one is an

2718
01:51:00,550 --> 01:50:56,880
encyclopedia of magic and alchemy by

2719
01:51:02,660 --> 01:51:00,560
rosemary ellen gooly

2720
01:51:04,310 --> 01:51:02,670
okay that's g-u-i-l-e-y

2721
01:51:05,669 --> 01:51:04,320
[Music]

2722
01:51:08,950 --> 01:51:05,679
and like i said

2723
01:51:10,550 --> 01:51:08,960
most people are going to find this stuff

2724
01:51:12,790 --> 01:51:10,560
um

2725
01:51:15,430 --> 01:51:12,800
boring because it is written in

2726
01:51:17,589 --> 01:51:15,440
encyclopedia format but that's where the

2727
01:51:19,910 --> 01:51:17,599
good stuff is it's not

2728
01:51:24,950 --> 01:51:19,920
unless you're looking for fiction or

2729
01:51:32,390 --> 01:51:27,589
opinion of it is you know

2730
01:51:34,470 --> 01:51:33,830
yeah i think it's important to find your

2731
01:51:37,510 --> 01:51:34,480
own

2732
01:51:39,189 --> 01:51:37,520
yeah you know follow your inner voice

2733
01:51:42,229 --> 01:51:39,199
read the material and then see what

2734
01:51:43,990 --> 01:51:42,239
resonates with you as true

2735
01:51:45,990 --> 01:51:44,000
you know we heard we hear this term

2736
01:51:52,229 --> 01:51:46,000
discernment

2737
01:51:57,189 --> 01:51:54,870
yeah and and also of course your website

2738
01:51:59,189 --> 01:51:57,199
is a good resource for people who are

2739
01:52:02,629 --> 01:51:59,199
interested in learning more why don't

2740
01:52:03,790 --> 01:52:02,639
you give that website one more time

2741
01:52:05,270 --> 01:52:03,800
uh that's

2742
01:52:11,589 --> 01:52:05,280
mysticmountain.com

2743
01:52:16,790 --> 01:52:13,669
dot com

2744
01:52:19,189 --> 01:52:16,800
okay and if people are i'm on twitter

2745
01:52:21,669 --> 01:52:19,199
and facebook and we've got a patreon out

2746
01:52:22,950 --> 01:52:21,679
there and a gofundme page to try to save

2747
01:52:24,629 --> 01:52:22,960
our butts here

2748
01:52:26,149 --> 01:52:24,639
yeah i was just going to say that if

2749
01:52:28,310 --> 01:52:26,159
people wanted to contact you what's the

2750
01:52:30,790 --> 01:52:28,320
best way to contact you would that be on

2751
01:52:34,390 --> 01:52:30,800
twitter

2752
01:52:37,589 --> 01:52:34,400
uh well you could pop in for um i do not

2753
01:52:39,589 --> 01:52:37,599
engage very much there um

2754
01:52:41,589 --> 01:52:39,599
you know for various reasons

2755
01:52:43,189 --> 01:52:41,599
but if somebody wanted to contact me

2756
01:52:45,589 --> 01:52:43,199
directly the best way to get a hold of

2757
01:52:47,189 --> 01:52:45,599
me is on the contact uh form on the

2758
01:52:49,189 --> 01:52:47,199
website

2759
01:52:52,310 --> 01:52:49,199
and that'll go through my

2760
01:52:54,790 --> 01:52:52,320
encrypted email and then um you know

2761
01:52:57,109 --> 01:52:54,800
then we we can set up dialogue that way

2762
01:52:59,990 --> 01:52:57,119
oh we have an encrypted email that's

2763
01:53:03,189 --> 01:53:00,000
interesting oh yeah

2764
01:53:07,750 --> 01:53:05,990
well i i just had to tweak it again i

2765
01:53:09,830 --> 01:53:07,760
i've been um

2766
01:53:12,470 --> 01:53:09,840
hacked and stocked for a long time and

2767
01:53:15,350 --> 01:53:12,480
that's part of what my

2768
01:53:17,910 --> 01:53:15,360
ptsd is that just got triggered here

2769
01:53:20,470 --> 01:53:17,920
this last time so

2770
01:53:23,350 --> 01:53:20,480
and and the whole overarching thing of

2771
01:53:26,149 --> 01:53:23,360
watching this play out again from when i

2772
01:53:28,390 --> 01:53:26,159
went through my dark night of the soul

2773
01:53:30,790 --> 01:53:28,400
in the 80s and 90s

2774
01:53:34,070 --> 01:53:30,800
and watching it just pop out again it's

2775
01:53:36,550 --> 01:53:34,870
it's

2776
01:53:39,109 --> 01:53:36,560
like you know people talk about

2777
01:53:41,270 --> 01:53:39,119
groundhog day but yeah that's gone going

2778
01:53:43,430 --> 01:53:41,280
i'm going here we go again darkening up

2779
01:53:45,990 --> 01:53:43,440
the soul that sounds like a that sounds

2780
01:53:48,310 --> 01:53:46,000
like a movie

2781
01:53:50,310 --> 01:53:48,320
uh well the dark knight of the soul was

2782
01:53:54,149 --> 01:53:50,320
a poem um

2783
01:53:57,510 --> 01:53:54,159
and the catholic church uh decided to it

2784
01:54:00,229 --> 01:53:57,520
was written by john okay but then

2785
01:54:02,229 --> 01:54:00,239
it wasn't had anything to do with what

2786
01:54:06,070 --> 01:54:02,239
spun off out in that so sometimes when

2787
01:54:08,310 --> 01:54:06,080
you say that you'll get a lot of flack

2788
01:54:11,990 --> 01:54:08,320
but it's kind of like the shamanic trial

2789
01:54:14,470 --> 01:54:12,000
by fire idea is having to go in and and

2790
01:54:16,870 --> 01:54:14,480
look at your deepest darkest parts

2791
01:54:18,870 --> 01:54:16,880
and see that's what dark magic is i

2792
01:54:22,310 --> 01:54:18,880
wanted to add that before we sign off

2793
01:54:25,430 --> 01:54:22,320
here um as a psych you know working as a

2794
01:54:28,790 --> 01:54:25,440
counselor that is what i do is dark

2795
01:54:31,270 --> 01:54:28,800
magic when i sit and listen to people in

2796
01:54:33,830 --> 01:54:31,280
their most discomforting

2797
01:54:35,189 --> 01:54:33,840
painful situations

2798
01:54:36,950 --> 01:54:35,199
that is

2799
01:54:39,030 --> 01:54:36,960
uh

2800
01:54:40,950 --> 01:54:39,040
that is dark magic

2801
01:54:42,550 --> 01:54:40,960
getting in there and being able to sit

2802
01:54:45,430 --> 01:54:42,560
with those people in the darkest

2803
01:54:46,790 --> 01:54:45,440
recesses of their experiences

2804
01:54:48,310 --> 01:54:46,800
well you've given us an incredible

2805
01:54:49,910 --> 01:54:48,320
amount of things to think about i want

2806
01:54:51,030 --> 01:54:49,920
to thank you very much for taking the

2807
01:54:52,550 --> 01:54:51,040
time

2808
01:54:54,149 --> 01:54:52,560
and i want to encourage

2809
01:54:56,870 --> 01:54:54,159
i want to encourage all my listeners to

2810
01:54:58,629 --> 01:54:56,880
visit your growing website still working

2811
01:55:00,470 --> 01:54:58,639
on transferring all this stuff over but

2812
01:55:01,669 --> 01:55:00,480
it's going to be an incredible resource

2813
01:55:03,669 --> 01:55:01,679
for all

2814
01:55:05,910 --> 01:55:03,679
and and i hope that you continue working

2815
01:55:08,070 --> 01:55:05,920
with it

2816
01:55:10,070 --> 01:55:08,080
oh yeah well thank you very much and

2817
01:55:11,669 --> 01:55:10,080
that's you know we're right on the cusp

2818
01:55:14,149 --> 01:55:11,679
of it's either going to be make or break

2819
01:55:17,589 --> 01:55:14,159
here but um we'll see where the

2820
01:55:19,350 --> 01:55:17,599
universal energies carry us if if we can

2821
01:55:21,669 --> 01:55:19,360
get it to work or not

2822
01:55:23,669 --> 01:55:21,679
so but we're trying well i will

2823
01:55:27,109 --> 01:55:23,679
encourage my listeners to try to lend a

2824
01:55:29,510 --> 01:55:27,119
hand and i want to thank you once again

2825
01:55:31,270 --> 01:55:29,520
okay well thank you so much for reaching

2826
01:55:32,629 --> 01:55:31,280
out this this has been kind of an

2827
01:55:35,270 --> 01:55:32,639
experience for me because i've been in

2828
01:55:37,589 --> 01:55:35,280
the cave for several months now healing

2829
01:55:40,310 --> 01:55:37,599
so this was

2830
01:55:42,470 --> 01:55:40,320
i'm glad we could draw you out

2831
01:55:44,229 --> 01:55:42,480
well folks it looks like we have

2832
01:55:46,709 --> 01:55:44,239
actually run out the clock here on the

2833
01:55:48,950 --> 01:55:46,719
midnight hour show i'll dispense with my

2834
01:55:50,870 --> 01:55:48,960
usual wrap up and just invite you to

2835
01:55:53,189 --> 01:55:50,880
join us again next saturday night at

2836
01:55:55,990 --> 01:55:53,199
midnight here on the fringe fm for